Published in Volume 71, Number 21 of The Uniter (February 22, 2017). Thats a noble goal for psychiatry but a dangerous gamble for society. These guys can get crazier than The Guy on the Greyhound Bus. This is the same line of reasoning that would protect you if you broke the law while sleepwalking. TAKE THIS TEST AND FIND OUT. I believe he needs to be in an institution that addresses those needs. I don't hear voices," Summerville quoted Li as saying. Vince Li, who now goes by Will Baker, was granted full discharge Friday afternoon. In 1999, however, the Supreme of Canada ruled that people found not criminally responsible for their crimes must be given an absolute discharge without restrictions or conditions if they no longer pose a significant threat to the public. I am not at risk for anybody. DEFUND (ELEMENTS) OF THE POLICE BUT LET COPS BE COPS, BESIDE THE ROAD NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME SERIES BOOK #4, THE TRUE STORY ABOUT WHO REALLY STOLE JFKS BRAIN, WHY IT TAKES SO LONG TO MAKE A CORONAVIRUS VACCINE, WHY CASEY ANTHONY GOT AWAY WITH MURDERING HER DAUGHTER, FROM THE SHADOWS NEW CRIME BOOK RELEASE FROM GARRY RODGERS. He knows that the medication works to keep the voices away.". Im a retired Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Serious Crimes detective and investigator with the British Columbia Coroners Service. Tims severed head by the hair in the other. The 2008 murder of 22-year-old Tim McLean, attacked as he slept in his seat on a bus about an hour outside of his home town of Winnipeg, was one of the most ultra-violent killings imaginable. His own brain chemistry was failing him. Lost contact with her when this happened. Enter your email address below and get your FREE eBook IN THE ATTIC A Psychological Thriller Based on a True Crime Story. (John Woods/Canadian Press). Bus passengers were severely traumatized. The Greyhound made a rest stop about a half hour earlier. They contained the scene and attempted to reason with Li. Coronavirus: What one of the youngest patients in a B.C. Get browser notifications for breaking news, live events, and exclusive reporting. But the checks and balances that once existed for him (from a legal perspective, at least) disappeared the moment he was granted an absolute discharge. As the bus stopped and horrified passengers fled, Li carved up McLean's body and ate portions of it. Its too high a risk. The week following the attack, Greyhound Canada announced it was pulling a series of nationwide advertisements which included the slogan, "There's a reason you've never heard of bus rage.". Since that time, Li has undergone nearly nine years of psychiatric treatment, and his team of doctors and mental health workers have stated that he is a model patient. Vince Li was born and raised in China. There has to be some permanent restraint put on potentially dangerous people who prove theyre capable of violent acts. Carefully, he looked at each passenger before reaching the second row from the rear. WERE YOUA HUMAN BEINGDESIGNED BY A HIGHER INTELLIGENCE? In 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness for the death of Tim McLean, a 22-year-old carnival worker who was sitting next to him on a bus traveling near Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. Then Li, expressionless behind sunglasses, came for the doorpresenting Tims decapitated head. Li was cuffed and it was over. He had gone off his meds. It was senseless. Pseudonyms will no longer be permitted. On July 30, 2008, when Vince Li killed and dismembered Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus, he truly believed that he had just saved the world; that he had been sent by God to kill a demon that threatened not only his own life but also the lives of others. Li listened to what he had to say before; the system should make it harder for thatto happen again. (AP) WINNIPEG, Manitoba - A Chinese immigrant who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in western Canada four years ago thought he was attacking an alien, according to a mental health advocate who interviewed him. McLean was Vince Li's victim. When the criminal court system washed their hands of Vince Li, the mental health system took over. There is no actual man in a mask, of course (if there was, there might be grounds for a duress defence a separate issue); rather "the man in a mask" is a euphemism for a mental illness that has you convinced you must hurt others, usually to stay alive. But the aftermath was awful. Carol de Delley is Tim McLeans mother. With blood smeared across his face and three of . BETWEEN THE BIKERS NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME BOOK RELEASE, NXIVM THE CRAZY SEX CULT OF KEITH RANIERE, A PRETTY EVIL TALK WITH AUTHOR SUE COLETTA, LAST STATEMENTS FROM THE TEXAS DEATH ROW CHAMBER, ON THE FLOOR NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME BOOK BY GARRY RODGERS. After he was deemed NCR, he was sent to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for treatment. Please read the sidebar below for our rules. Seems he was an undiagnosed schizophrenic not prescribed the right meds. Warehouse Li, they agreed. The flaw in the criminal legal (not justice) system is theres no respect for victims like Tim McLean and his family. McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. He fidgeted,starting a low Chinese chant. "My son died this way to shed light on the issue," DeDelley told reporters. Judgment passed that Li was not criminally responsible for Tims murder due to psychosis caused by untreated schizophrenia. Vince was granted supervised walks within his mental facility as voted by the provincial review board on the 3rd of June, 2010. He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental. The psychiatrists. Today, Vince Li is a free man. Parts of the victim's body, placed in plastic bags, were retrieved from the bus, while his ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pockets. McLean, a 22-year-old Canadian man, was stabbed, beheaded, and cannibalized while riding a Greyhound Canada bus along the Trans-Canada Highway, about 30 km (19 mi) west of Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. A welcome email is on its way. Maybe he moonlights as an actuary. Even the judge. Hes crazy. Vincent Weiguang "Vince" Li is a Chinese-Canadian man who, on July 30, 2008, brutally killed and cannibalized a 22-year old Canadian man Timothy Richard "Tim" McLean, Jr.. After being apprehended following a 1-day stand-off, Li was found not guilty by reason of insanity and spent six years in a mental hospital before being released in 2015. Li at some point married a woman named Anna and became a menial worker at Grant Memorial Church, working there for six months despite the language barrier between him and others. Baker sat next to 22-year-old. They lost their loving son, brother, cousin and nephew. The shrinks saw it different. He got off, had a smoke, then reboarded. People are truly naive and sheltered to the evils of the world. But it got even worse. Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Weiguang Li, killed 22-year-old Tim McLean after hearing what he thought was "the voice of God". WINNIPEG Vince Li says he understands why people are still afraid of him. GLOSSOPHOBIA OVERCOME YOUR FEAR OF PUBLIC SPEAKING, DEMYSTIFYING SHOW VS. TELL IN FICTION WRITING, THE REAL AFGHANISTAN FROM A MARINE RECONS VIEW, HOW SPECIAL OPERATION FORCES FUNCTION IN CATASTROPHES, CJ LYONS DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS OF PUBLISHING, POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER IS A NASTY BITCH, WHY YOUR CHARACTERS GOAL NEEDS TO BE 1 OF THESE 5 THINGS, THE MISSING BULLET IN THE JFK ASSASSINATION, THE MYSTERY NOVEL AND THE HUMAN FASCINATION WITH DEATH, FORENSIC ENTOMOLOGY HOW INSECTS SOLVE CRIME, 5 HISTORY CHANGES IF JFK WASNT ASSASSINATED, 6 TACTICS FOR THRILLER WRITERS FROM SEAL TEAM 6, 5 WAYS RE-POSTING OTHER BLOGGERS CONTENT RIPS THEM OFF, HOW TO TELL GREAT STORIES IN THE WORKPLACE. Vince Li was a ticking bomb. It doesnt make any sense to presume that he would willingly do so. There are extensive videos and transcripts available on hours and hours of a forensic psychiatrist interviewing Li and trying to get inside his head. Li opened Tims chest and tore at his organs. He had no family, no friends, no support and no supervision. 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As the bus pulled out of the stop, he moved to the back, to the vacant seat next to McLean. Without warning, Vince Li made a break for freedom. Now Li had Tim on the aisle floor, still plunging and plunging. Where critics of the case have a point is in the decision to grant Li an absolute discharge, meaning he is essentially free of the justice system, rather than a conditional discharge, whereby Li would be required to stick to a treatment plan or report regularly to a psychiatrist. Now ask yourself if this individual would really ever consider going off his medication? They were quick to form a conclusion without exploring the entire circumstances in a full and open trial. No matter what his mental state was, that showed planning and premeditation. There was little regard for the publics protection that Linow Will Bakerwould be permanently locked up like the law should allow. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-discharge-1.3977278. DID VINCENT VAN GOGH REALLY COMMIT SUICIDE? Presence of mind from the driver prevented Lis escape into the crowd. I dont think it matters if youre mentally ill or not. Its really about victim and family rights as opposed to the killers. In Canada we have legislation in place that would acquit someone, or label them as not criminally responsible (NCR) for their actions, if mens rea was not present in an illegal act. First published on May 23, 2012 / 9:51 AM. Its important to understand the difference between Vince Li suffering from psychosis and Vince Li. And its just as important to understand the difference between Vince Li before July 30, 2008, who didnt understand his illness, and Vince Li now, who has all the reason in the world to understand, and treat, his illness. Call him Vince Li, or call him by his new alias Will Baker, but also call him what he is a cannibal killer who beheaded his victim in the back of a Greyhound bus, cut out his heart and ate a piece of it. He has still been described as psychotic, but is on medication. Understandably so. Editorial: With no conditions, Vince Li is a threat. Helunged it to sleeping Tims neck. "He understands now that schizophrenia is a mental illness which plays tricks on the brain. And last week, after years of earning back small freedoms such as supervised day trips and unescorted outings, Li was, Victim's family disappointed by Vince Li's discharge, 'Mr. End of story. Tim let a blood-curdling scream. The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. BRINGING LIFE TO THE DEAD WITH CGI TECHNOLOGY, SCHMEGELSKY & MCLEOD: THE SENSELESS STORY OF TWO KILLER KIDS, THIRTEEN TERRIBLY CLOSE CALLS WITH NUCLEAR BOMB ACCIDENTS, IS THE MEANING OF LIFE A HAM SANDWICH? by Six Nations Rugby. Since then I have been unable to think of July 30, 2008 with hatred in my heart only an unquantifiable sadness. Vince Li is not evil; he's sick. Particularly psychiatric degrees. 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