You searched for: Author: lynne hybels bill We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years.. I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. The retiring pastor calls it all collusion and lies. I could be misconstruing everything & he may just be being over-sympathetic to me as a now single woman, trying to be nice, trying to be helpful (which he is to everyone). is lynne hybels still married to bill. Russ Moore agrees with you. While still being married, Stephany accidentally reconnects with a former lover, who is hideously ugly and struggling nancially. This is exactly what I had in mind!? Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? NB If anything uncomfortable happens again I will be saying something clearly to him & asking him to mind his manners. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. Very sad indeed. Barb, I must say, you have this amazing gift of being able to cut through a persons (premeditated) bullpoo. He told me he had taken Ambien. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. You will be swamped with Williow Creek and Bill Hybels telling us how to and their morality. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. As we said in Old School D&D about 3rd-level spells, You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs.. May God raise up more people like Josiah who tore down the high places and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God until Jesus becomes the only thing worshipped in the church. The Body does not put its faith in humans, even celebrity ones. Is Bill Hybels still married? Not physical tally sheets, but during my time in-country there sure were MENTAL tally sheets used for the One-Upmanship Game. Fine, however, increased accountability comes with this. Why the need to put pastors in a special untouchable category? Hybels used Yahweh (God) for his own desires and celebrity. I think I said in another thread, there are hugs and there are hugs and we can generally tell the difference. Why not go public 4 years ago?? Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. I am an infrequent commenter here, but have been following the WW for years. That length is reserved for the husband/wife relationship, comforting someone, or greeting someone close whom you havent seen in a long time. its definitely legit and very well written. Kick out the immoral/abusive pastors. Hybels fell for him when he was on staff with Rob Bell at Mars Hill EMERGENT Church, in Grand Rapids. Add a spiritual plastic Jesus fish to the scenario above and its 10x easier to manipulate. Christ truely cared about the underdog, and did not like religious leaders that abused their positions. It creates an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance. Or suddenly you find out 2-3 (and later 7 or more) women have had similar experiences. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. (1) Discovery of 1,150 emails between Bill and the woman over the previous two years. etc. Or, they quickly retract. Come Lord Jesus! Instead, we are the be faithful to our calling. Be an individual. not for this long. I cant deny I have been blessed by WC and the GLS. And his comment is A church? But I can certainly tell when a guy does it to cop a feel. People said the same sort of things about us, people sneered at us, shunned us, surely said Whats wrong with this picture just like you did. To all those women that have been psychologically damaged, what a needless tradegy. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel Very often, as you point out, in times of crisis, people respond in ways that reveal. There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. Read Acts 2. Lawrence Krauss is a famous atheist and liberal crusader and, in certain whisper networks, a well-known problem, according to author Peter Aldhous, in his article on *BuzzFeed*. The principles are sound, thoughwell enough to be applied to anyone's marriage, especially those looking to place God in the middle. Are you saying that God is insufficient in this situation? With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. We are to be tools in the hands of God. That attitude was a LOT more prevalent than people think. One does not mess with God and get away with it. @ dee: Mary, I am going to assume that you have not been well taught on the subject of judgement. Thanks, Barbara, for your outstanding work. Do it on your personal, not work, email. I dont think he deserved that. There is a legal concept called spoliation of evidence, which refers to the destruction or withholding of evidence whether done intentionally or accidentally. But David and all Israel beginning at Davids own house bore the consequences of the sin. Fact is, mind control has been extensively researched, and is helpful in nearly any institution, be it a corporation, university, athletic team, military unit or, yes, church. This is largely Christianese. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. Bills own admission appears to have been made at a meeting with certain Elders and Willow Creek Association Board members. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. Which means nothing just happened, it was planned out and purposeful. Abuse works on the good-hearted the ones who are trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, questioning their own discernment, seeking to extend charity. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. Salvation: in the ned this in the hands of the One with the higher Pay Grade. Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. And Long Prayers will be said for justification. The new letter to John Ortberg is a farce and anyone who has been a victim advocate is aware of it. Or it could be that he has no civil right so to speak to have his hands on her in the first place and therefore the responsibility to monitor his own behavior is his and not hers. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. There was also some sort of one world conspiracy deal. I dont see this issue is white or black hats. Should I be worried? Its rarely what people are told to believe it is. Publicado por Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs. If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher. The kids tried to sue the board to no avail. Tyndale House Publishers is suspending publication of a forthcoming new book from Bill Hybels, and InterVarsity Press is suspending reprint of one of his books. Since 1975, when Lynne & Bill Hybels started Willow Creek Community Church, Lynne has been an active volunteer at the church.For the last fifteen years she has engaged in ministry partnerships in under-resourced communities in Latin America and Africa. As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. Ever thought of switching to WordPress? His wife had done nothing wrong . @ Davis and Natasha: The church isnt being destroyed. The elders at Willow Creek Community Church tonight sent an email to congregants, stating that the church is "heartbroken" over the "abuse" of a congregant. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. William Hybels is an American author and church figure. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. This was mishandled. Using God like a tool. Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. That isnt good for anyone. Leaders who walk in the dark are not representing Jesus but rather the same Devil the original Pharisees did. Sorta like erasing emails? But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist. We saw the dirty laundry, the rebellious child, etc. If John Ortberg was a heel, I dont see how that has any bearing on the situation. It was not the stature of the parities involved that was relevant, but the truth of the matter at hand. Stop claiming to be the victim! @ Law Prof: I believe the accusers in this case especially since you corroborate that they knew the difference in a hug and a hug. If at the end of this tragedy, Willow Creek gets that they will flow like a river rather than a creek. @ Davis and Natasha: Who are the people our Creator said were His people? Certainly not the ones who keep claiming they are always the victims. The whole church is in our thoughts and prayers. This is ALL so disappointing and disheartening. 1 kiss But of course, youve been trained up in the world of megas, where vapid sayings take the place of the Bible. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. As we got up to leave at the end of the evening Bill said to me in front of the group, Nancy why dont you stay for a couple of minutes for us to discuss your ministry work? I immediately looked at the others for how I should respond and one of them smiled and said, Okay, see you in the morning.. BTW, when I confronted him publicly, his response wasnt, I didnt do it, but You wanted me to. A married man twice my age, I might add, who nobody liked. Rudyard Kipling, The Picts Song (about guerilla warfare), Ok. Ok. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. I truly hope that WCC reexamines who they are. So much! Scapegoats? I dont know what mainstream is for this topic. What do you think that Rabbi from Tarsus meant when he wrote For Satan himself can transform himself to appear as an Angel of Light? Who would I tell? For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. I hope that someone who knows what they are doing is archiving all of the official statements and documents by Hybels and WC. I dont think that you can judge how repentant and how contrite Bill has been, based on the words that he said when he announced his retirement. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. Nancys story is not outrageous to me. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Driscoll will do quite well in charismatic ranks. It was humbling for you, but there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. I have big concerns about lumping everything under that umbrella. We still do not know what that really means. Hybels is spending his time complaining and murmuring against his accusers, rather than taking their contentions to heart, examining himself, repenting and coming clean. You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. Recently posted by the Chicago Tribune, which has tracked this story since breaking it in March: Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations.. What is the Body of Christ? The strength and impact of Nancy Beachs and Vonda Dyers words remain, thankfully. Nigerian pop song about a con man. That is a big part of the problem. Bill called my hotel room in Sweden, in February of 1998, after a long conference day. Status? I am so very proud of her and with how hard this has been on everyone. It would take only one cracker to spill all that confidential information to the world (or one thief of the pastors unencrypted computer). Leaders who are ambassadors for Christ can cause crises of faith when they break the 3rd Commandment Thou shall not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. Nothing really bad happened. (ed deleted link). Thanks, all! I pity you if thats the case. there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. I dont fault them for that, but its what happens. Only saying he did that for women sounds creepier, but he actually did that for everyone he was mentoring. I know that unwanted full frontal hugs was a part of abusive pastors manipulations of women in a small rural church. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. Hint hint. We werent leaders, but we can tell you re: Stowell and many others that they leave and say nothing or little to protect their own reputations and future work in ministry. In that planning he can do and say things prior to the offence which will give him a get out of jail free card later if his offence gets exposed or the target woman overtly resists his abuse. The pastor didnt understand that this was not about sex but about control and power. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. A few years ago, I posted The Aurora byTerjeSorgjerd. Dave Dummitt And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. Then the man of God acts as if nothing happened.. Give me the bellicose jerks any time. I think there can be a benefit when many people have a genuine need for human touch. I was never a member, but many family members were including on the entertainment, I mean worship, team. Thanks for the link and summary, Barbara this sounds like noteworthy research on specific dynamics! There are evil people who look like good people. I would have probably rolled my eyes at Vonda on stage in 2003 because I despised the commercial entertainment mega world by then. As I continued reading the thread, you did not sound at all like the person on Twitter. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. They know exactly how to size people up, how to take advantage of their needs, insecurities, weaknesses, etc. Mistletoe killing an oak, All about leadership, leadership, leadership. Good night!!! You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. 1 comment about arms Ortberg gives us some eyebrow raising information. Got to stop that! https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936. As for the hug thing, & why didnt Nancy Ortberg say somethingwell, for a year or two now, my Christian neighbour, who Ive been friends with him & his wife for about 25 years, has been giving me lingering hugs, which end up with his hands resting on my lower back as often as he can when he drops into my house, hes made a few inappropriate comments about my breasts (they are a standing joke amongst me & my friends as Im a buxom lass), often tries to rub my shoulders as he knows I have shoulder issues& youre the first people Ive told. This year in 2018, Bill has been publicly accused of sexual harassment and h e has resigned from the megachurch he and Lynne founded. Read Acts 2. So much! Posting from East China where these kind of things often, ahem, usually get brushed under the carpet. Think about it. Just went through the same unity emphasis, as if pointing out items needing accountability, oversight and review constituted disunity or unwarranted lack of confidence in church leadership. It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer.. Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. Have you ever watched the news when the police pick up some guy who is a pedophile and all the neighbors say But he was so nice. I have yet to ask these people what they think of all this. Exit music: (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) @ Lydia. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel. Just listening to Hybels extol the leadership virtues of Heather Lawson (another blonde) was enough to make me wonder, Is anyone else hearing and seeing this? His own wife (Lynne) is very different from the women Hybels mentored. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. I do, however, see how the dastardly could try and use the physical emotional responses to size up or groom a potential victim. Very sad. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. CHICAGO (RNS) Willow Creek Community Church still grappling with former senior pastor Bill Hybels' history of alleged sexual harassment and abuse of power now . No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. Max, darn! People you work with? @ okrapod: Because it was not entirely clear what happened. So thats why I was interested in this concept. This has not only damaged women but also affected men, like my husband, who looked up to Bill Hybels as a positive role model. The next morning, Bill and I were the first ones at breakfast in the hotel. @ Davis and Natasha: The headers which wont be encrypted give info on sender and recipients and dates. My guess is that given what we know now, she would not have been running with him. You bet it will get nasty.. I hope its okay to post. Willow Creek is an entertainment church and Hybels its star. is lynne hybels still married to bill. I cannot find the comment so let me Some person, purportedly a woman, is blaming the women for going to Hybels hotel room. So many perps being exposed it looks like the Lord is behind the exposure. Dear TWW readers, I am in Australia so I comment and tweet and post things on FB when you are asleep if you are in the USA. Because my -and others- comments are moderated, there can be a lot of instantly-posted discussion between a (approval-needed) comment and when it appears. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. (1 Cor. Thanks Dee. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. Plausible deniability for Bill. Glory to God. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. There is nothing wrong with this picture, this is the way it happens. (Exod. Not one. Note how often those being accused are the old dogs, gone or soon to be gone from the public eye anyway. Swimming in a mile-wide creek, one-inch deep. Never being offended. Now, if we mean that believers at Willow Creek (or outside of it) will grapple with Mr Hybels and the Elders sins in these matters as they themselves become more sanctified, I can see that perspective. Because TWW doesnt have a tick the box to be notified of future comments, and because my comments seem to go live straight away, I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. Which is why the Internet is SATANIC WITCHCRAAAAAFT and their on-lookers are the WITCHES! Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. I think the rule of thumb is that for every person who complains, there are 15-20 more that dont just because of the hassle and expectation nothing will change. You summed up my whole opinion of this mess. The women will be able to see the other side of things. My heart goes out to you, all of you, by coming forward you have contributed to breaking this cycle of abuse. Might I suggest this might more accurately say that sexual predation is not always based on wanting to have sex? Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 : Net Worth: I can't apologize for his choices, but I do apologize for mine," she explained. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. But, still I try not to broad brush. Here are some points of summary that I wrote about why this matters: From some of the background reading on this issue, it is clear that digital documents, audio, and video can constitute relevant evidence in any of these legal actions. I hope they will be held accountable and step down. I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way. Further, if a few women get run over in this situtation it is fine, and in other cases if a bunch of litlle boys get rapped, thats OK since in long run the positives outway the negatives. Ive been a christian for many years so I take offense to your allegations. The Devil is destroying yet another church. But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. These are the things that The Church has to wake up to. However it can also be decentralized and setup so that only the sender and receiver can read and no backdoor (and even they cant read if they lose the keys). Some sources say that they dated for five years, broke up, got engaged then broke their engagement and later got back together and finally got married. I cannot imagine the pressure that your sister is experiencing. Publishing is a major part of a celebritys platform. I hug relatives and near relatives depending on the situation-like somebody is dead. Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. A quick glance at google and apparently hugging is drugging when it comes to the brain. I have other views about resigning rock star pastors but wont go into it now. I did this research a while back, so if Im remembering right, a few things I read indicated that the evidence destroyed/withheld would automatically be assumed to be against the legal case of those who destroyed/withheld it, and the jury was instructed that they were required to view the situation that way. Sigh. Megachurch pastors have big institutions to feed as well: huge entities that gobble millions a year, maybe hundreds of millions. May God raise up more people like Josiah who tore down the high places and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God until Jesus becomes the only thing worshipped in the church. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. I am going to say something that will probably cause an uproar. We cant imagine the immensity of it all. His third publisher, Zondervan, has not yet responded to inquiries. Stop attacking victims. Very true, and far too common: Jerry Sandusky, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Dr. Larry Nassar, Bill Hybels. A former minister of mine would give the teenage girl side hugs, which put his hand in a place it shouldnt have been. * Scripture does not discuss it that way. @ dee: Brad I am the Bride of Christ, the Church, as are Dee and Deb and many others who post here. Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. Ok, gotcha. Time for repentance not damage control. God is a title. I dont like people hugging me. I think it compounds the problem when so many mega churches are unaffiliated with a denomination and/or have sprung up and had only ONE pastor (or lead pastor) for their entire church history. I am going to assume this women does not know how business is conducted these days. When we overlook this, we open doors for people like pedophiles and other predators to enter the church and carry out their dark deeds. The celebs were protected by their inner circle who went along with the exterior lie of image and performance, hiding ugly dark secrets. Bill Hybels Family. We would often rent out suites in hotels when there were medical conferences/ conventions going on. The beast must be fed. Jesus wins. And ironically, asking that question is why. I wonder if her crisis of faith was after finding out about something shady Bill was doing? Menu. 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. Enough is enough. Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to write a story about a woman who was raped by her husband. Plus overtones of the old attorneys way to defend against a rape charge: Discredit the Victim making the accusation. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? its all changed. Does it lend itself to the overall problem? Does it lend itself to the overall problem? Not every Christian is called to be an evangelist, but every Christian should have a heart for the lost. Then more examples came out. Or your friends husband. I find it ironic Jodi thinks she is helping Billy. Gossip! And you re-evaluate. You just described me. Its harder to sweep things under the rug when internet on-lookers are looking under rugs 24-7. kwim, dees? I know its not popular here, but Im also thankful for their seeker sensitive approach. @ jackie: @ Deborah: I would not attend a church where I knew the pastor behaved like that. He missed an important element in his effort at damage control: Preach it straight from the beginning. Note: Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. tax. Things that often included the emotional or spiritual wounding of others, if not actual physical or sexual abuse, were overlooked, out of a misplaced trust and loyalty to a so-called man of God. but I know you dont have that set up. It is in the section entitled, An inquiry begins, about halfway down the page. Does Bill Hybels teach pastors how to get more friendly with his staff, but keep it under raps? You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. Or they adapted. The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? Maybe He is cleaning house. In 2001 my church began instituting #MLKWeekend in our annual church calendar, focusing on teachings of #MLK & the tragic legacy of systemic racism. Why would we expect a follower of Hybels to be different from Hybels? Or God is discipling yet another church. Bill Hybels confessed a few years ago that WC had made a mistake by not encouraging church members to read their Bibles and mature spiritually. @ okrapod: However not having a backup to retrieve is a bad idea and deleting email automatically (other than spam) is a bad practice. We have preached a get of jail free gospel of buy the ticket and everything is as if it never happened. Hybels considers himself first among equals in the fraternity of evangelical pastors. Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Huge. Same church where Hybels daughter worked (PR for Bell) and met her husband who was Minister of Music, now in charge of music for Willow Creek. Working our works out of view, That said, this is all so tragic. The Church is built on Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, not on them. https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg. Be the one who is loving and kind in the midst of sorrow, showing us that you trust Jesus to bring something beautiful out of this pain. Having seen some of the comments by WCC supporters left at TWW, I can imagine the pressure and pain that she has had to face with her account. Theres something to these accounts. And I promise: NO ONE was ever saved, in all history, because of eloquence. Aware of it clear what happened how often those being accused are the old,... 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