Cochran's longtime mistress, Patricia Sikora, also spoke out against the attorney. The experts admitted that it may take ten years for solid research outcomes to materialize. KING: Louis, would it be a simple solution, everyone should use an ear phone? I'm going to spin that brain around and take you to a very specific part of it. Family members and colleagues of the legal Dr. Black mentioned that some of the studies are actually looking at the cell phone usage found. J. COCHRAN: The resolution of this case is in no way an admission of guilt by Michael Jackson. Simpson was found not guilty of murder. KING: Dr. Khurana, by the way, do you use a cell phone? After Simpson, Cochran stepped out of the criminal trial arena, concentrating instead on civil matters. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Dale Cochran, you have heard a lot of the discussion tonight. And, you know, I think, for the most part, people watching who use a cell phone will be just fine. We had actually vacationed together on summer vacations with our mutual families. In a trial that involved celebrity and domestic abuse, the Simpson trial became best known for dividing the country along racial lines. And if there is a potential cause out there, we need to seriously look into it. Simpson, meanwhile, was held liable for the killings following a 1997 civil trial and ordered to pay the Brown and Goldman families $33.5 million in restitution. And by the way, it's more important, most of the experts agreed, to pour millions of dollars into research for treatments for those who get the disease -- from causes unknown, unproven, or unconsidered -- rather than worry about a little thing called prevention. GUPTA: I do. If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. After graduating from UCLA, Cochran earned a law degree from Loyola University. I was innocent, but he believed it. Pratt was convicted in 1972. KING: On a regular basis, every day? Detective Sawyer, having said earlier that if he could not crack the case he would join the others in the cell, does so. And I think it's quite sensible for people who are concerned to use an ear phone and to basically eliminate their exposure. KING: Do you use cell phones, Dana? Larry, we're going to go inside the ear here to the inner part over here. At times it was a lot of fun," he said of the lampooning he received. And so just because we don't know the mechanism or the link between -- at a molecular level, between how cell phones may generate the milieu at a molecular level that results in a brain tumor does not mean that there is no mechanism. And, you know, when we were -- when I was researching for the book that you and I talked about, I looked into all of this. KING: So you should check it out, any symptom? All rights reserved. BLACK: Again, I think the emissions from cordless phones in the house are very low, and I would be less concerned with those than cell phones. "I read everything I could find about Thurgood Marshall and confirmed that a single dedicated man could use the law to change society.". We don't know that that will necessarily be a safe practice. He had surgery, right? KING: Doctor, is there pain involved in this? If cell phone use was a factor, wouldn't there be evidence on that side?" He was 67. In-universe information. KING: Dr. Gupta, what do you make of what Dr. Khurana just said? It's hard to say. DR. MICHAEL THUN, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY: The way I think the best way to look at this is keep an open mind, but also be very aware of what we know and what we don't know. It seems, Dale, that if they don't have any proof, people are at least concerned. Now that we're back, I can't help but wonder, if the most important thing is finding treatments, then where was the outcry when the FDA tried to close down a Texas doctor who was successfully treating the disease? GUPTA: It's a trip down memory lane, if you will. The trial of the century, as it was dubbed, began in January 1995 and was among the most publicized in history, followed by millions around the world. Again, they don't recommend that based on the industry's recommendation. OK, let's move to the subject at hand. THUN: You are absolutely right. The Nokia a few years later, this was '98, and then '99 and then 2001. D. COCHRAN: That's all right. This month, sadly, one of the parties in the case - famed attorney Johnnie Cochran - died. Market data provided by Factset. This big white mass, that is what's an acoustic neuroma -- a tumor of the specific nerve in that inner ear area. KING: There are a lot of don'ts. Ton can buy a new 1953 Ford 2-door Sedan delivered in 174q Ardmore for a 1177 Sam p. Hale phone 708 since 1911 balancing. KING: Is that considered high? Are they paying a price or panicking for no good reason? KING: Dr. Black? Cochran didn't represent him in that case. WebWhen evidence led police to suspect O.J. KING: That's Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles. Go to CNN.com/larryking and take our quick vote. I use cell phones. BLACK: Well, there is a base line rate of people developing tumors. All rights reserved. Tory v. Cochran (search) involves a bitter ex-client who was ordered to never display a sign or speak about Cochran again. So here you've got a control group that uses it, and you have a user group that uses it. KING: We're obviously going to devote more time to this. We'll have a quick vote. Name: Lawrence Edward Baslee Jr. Age: 56 Arrested: 1/23/2014. During the early 1980s, he oversaw a settlement for the family of African American football player Ron Settles, who died in a police cell under questionable circumstances. 1-800 The precautionary principle is a fancy version of the old (unproven) adage "better safe than sorry.". He was 67. JONATHAN COCHRAN, JOHNNIE COCHRAN'S SON: I look at it now and it seems like he was taken too soon. Oops -- it was a novel integrative treatment that cured the disease in children. D. COCHRAN: Yes. KING: Is that memory loss a major cause of concern, Dr. Black? So it's possible for a cell to get an injury and then migrate to a different location within the brain, as well. ", The flamboyant Cochran enjoyed that parody so much he even quoted it in his autobiography, "A Lawyer's Life. Experts on both sides of the issue are here and it's next. Doctor Khurana, you say that the danger of cell phones could have far broader health ramifications than asbestos and smoking. This advancement opens up new avenues for medical research and the possibility of transplantation therapies for conditions such as neurodegenerative diseases But first, if the manual says keep it in some sort of holster and keep it away from your ear, would you say the manufacturer is worried about something, Dr. Schwartz? KING: When they see keep it in the holster, that means keep it away from your body. We may earn commission from links on this page, but we only recommend products we back. As prosecutors Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden sparred with Simpson's defense attorney, the late Johnnie Cochran, Kim desperately hoped for a conviction. In 2004, Cochrans associates revealed that he was suffering from an undisclosed illness. And there's really no good mechanism by which non-ionizing radiation can cause brain tumors. And KING: Did he dismiss that or get concerned? Often times, these phone come with a holster. While your there, download our latest podcast, Jesse Ventura. Before dying, Cochran said he thought his cell phone caused his brain cancer. They saw an abnormality within the brain. KING: Meaning? Cochran died in Los Angeles March 29, 2005 after a long illness. The food -- by the way, we'll show you a screen effect here. Studies from northern Europe, from Israel especially, from France, from Germany, all point to a risk of, you know, cell phone links to brain tumors and to neuromas and grand tumors. They may be using cordless phones as well, which we also know are risk factors based on data. Gracie remembers he is the murderer, and phones the police. And that is right in here, that red part. If you look at some of the studies that have been performed -- I mean one of the studies that is very concerning has been a story out of Europe that looked at a long-term exposure to the use of cell phones over a period of 10 years. His first marriage, to his college sweetheart, Barbara Berry, produced two daughters, Melodie and Tiffany. He's director of brain tumor surgery at New York Presbyterian Hospital. What, Dr. Khurana, does this tell us? He died from a brain tumor on March 29, 2005, at the age of 67. We don't know how we think and how processing in the brain results in appropriate speech, based on different functionalities at different locations of the brain. Thank you for your attention. Again, a wired ear piece down to an industry approved holster is what the people recommend. This is a phone people probably became most familiar with. But as Larry has also said, if there's a known cause, and if there is a possibility of even mitigating the incidence even slightly, that would be helpful. You know, it's the antenna for the cell phone that is the source for the microwave energy. Not from the U.S.? He is editor of MicrowaveNews.com. Johnnie L. Cochran graduated from U.C.L.A. in 1959 and made the decision to attend Loyola Law School. On top of the grueling regimen at Loyola, Johnnie worked, was married in his first year, and had his first child during his third year. KING: Somebody is scared. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Remaining with us, Dr. Keith Black, chairman of department of neurosurgery at Cedar-Sinai, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN's chief medical correspondent and a neurosurgeon himself, in Australia, Dr. Vini Khurana, neurosurgeon, associate professor of neurosurgery at Canberra Hospital. Both defense attorneys Robert Shapiro and Johnnie Cochran believed from the outset that Simpson was guilty, Toobin says. He's chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery, director of the Maxine Dunitz Neurosurgical Institute at Cedars-Sinai. I really think the overwhelming amount of evidence that we have from reviewing the literature has shown there really is no good, viable link between cell phone use and brain tumors. What's known about the impact of RF on human tissue?" Let me just read you something here, Larry. The flashy yet venerable attorney's health started to falter last year, according to media reports. And, dad, I know that you are the best dressed man in heaven. And with so many users and users starting at the age of three and up now, we should be concerned. You know, a lot of studies may not be perfect. He meant everything to me. So those brains are much more susceptible. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TIFFANY COCHRAN EDWARDS, JOHNNIE COCHRAN'S DAUGHTER: He was such a wonderful man. DR. VINI KHURANA, NEUROSURGEON, THE CANBERRA HOSPITAL: I base it on the fact, Larry, that at this point in time, there's just over three billion users of cell phones worldwide. Cochran signed on as part of a "dream team" of lawyers defending the Hall of Famer. That is what they recommend. I think that cell phones are not risk-free. Do you believe that cell phones are harmful? KING: Want to know what the American Cancer Society thinks about cell phones? (The conviction was eventually overturned after more than two decades. BLACK: I actually received a call from Johnnie's assistant, as Dale indicated, concerned about his difficulty with memory and also some difficulty with speech. Don't go away. BLACK: Well, Larry, I think if we look at the evidence that we have now, it's difficult to say that cell phones have a direct link to brain cancer, but it's also difficult to say that they're safe. Robert Bray appears as Major Cunningham. Watch. CTIA also referred to us the American Cancer Society for more comments on this topic. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Dr. Gupta, Dr. Khurana and Dr. Thun remain with us. ", The case quickly became a media circus, set in motion with the televised police pursuit of a white Ford Bronco on a Los Angeles freeway. Before he leaves us -- he will be returning with Dana Cochran. "But he and his family were most proud of the work he did on behalf of those in the community.". Market data provided by Factset. In 1978, Cochran once again became part of the citys legal force when he joined the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, although he eventually returned to private practice. Is there a best way to use a cell phone? KING: How do children's phones, Dr. Black, differ from -- children's brains, rather, differ from adults? 2023 BuzzFeed, Inc. All rights reserved. But, Larry, we also know there are other environmental causes that have been related to brain tumors as well. Attorney at law. Cell phones give off non-ionizing radiation. He died from a brain tumor on March 29, 2005, at the age of 67. I mean, the proper way to use a phone would to be hold it like this. Since gaining a reputation in Ebony magazine as "the best in the West" in the early 1980s, Cochran eventually became the go-to guy for black celebrities in trouble. WebHis attorney, Johnnie Cochran, argued that the charges should be dropped. But, basically, this is a tumor of the inner ear and -- there you go, Larry. Did he die at home? GUPTA: Yes, this is from the manufacturer themselves. Brad has a phone in his pocket of his pants. He was just wonderful. Let me show you what that looks like on an MRI scan. We'll wrap it up when we come back. And I stand by those comments. When a patient comes to the surgery, the focus is not what caused it. Firemen have an occupational risk of brain cancer because of diesel exposure. Health, food and environmental journalist; radio host, Progressive Radio Network. Most people do. People that work in plastic factories -- as Dale said, I think one of the things that we're very excited about is not only trying to identify potential causes that we can eliminate, but also trying to find effective treatments and cures at the Johnny Cochran Brain Tumor Center. So, you know, as I said in the beginning, at this point, we cannot say with any certainty that cell phones either are safe or not safe. "Certainly, Johnnie's career will be noted as one marked by celebrity cases and clientele," the family said in a statement. KING: Is this much safer than that? D. COCHRAN: Yes, I think people are concerned. We've reached saturation points. Gender. I use an earpiece now, as Dale Cochran talked about. KING: Doctor, I know it's true, having interviewed many people on the subject of tobacco and lung cancer, we can't tell you why tobacco causes lung cancer. And his doctor says cell phones may have played a part in his disease. GUPTA: It's hard to say. Cochran died in 2005 a decade before the upheavals that made police brutality and the unfair treatment of African American men by the justice system impossible to ignore. BLACK: But the brain has no sensation. I'm sorry. BLACK: Similar to Senator Ted Kennedy's. You know, they didn't give off enough non- ionizing radio frequency to be a problem. This was the mid'80s. Flamboyant in public, he kept his private life shrouded in secrecy, and when some of those secrets became public following a 1978 divorce, they were startling. I started researching it and really understanding it. KING: Did he know how serious it was? Next, a doctor who stands by that statement. DALE COCHRAN, JOHNNIE COCHRAN'S WIDOW: Initially, there was a loss of memory. While Cochran never argued before the U.S. Supreme Court, a case involving him is on the docket this session. Some studies found a problem, while others did not. Before doing that, I do agree with you. I do think that he raises a very important concern, I think particularly among young people using cell phones. KING: Johnnie Cochran probably was one of the best known attorneys in the United States. When we come back, Dr. Gupta will be with us, along with the return of Dale Cochran and Dr. Keith Black. KING: Now, I'm told that -- I'm not an expert on this so I'm going to read it. 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