Reply Quote. This turbocharged 2.0L inline-four was considered a replacement to the BMW N52 a naturally-aspirated, inline-six engine. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. 130108 When engine starts cam shaft on exhaust goes all the way to the end. Thanks, The charge pressure fault is probably due to the the vanos fault,,,,it looks like you replaced all the general stuff already and you are sure the timing is correct,,,,,you said the engine had low water damage what does that mean,,,is it possible the exhaust camshaft is binding,,,,you might want to check the exhaust camshaft journal caps. Thanks for this. Fingers crossed!! Thanks! N20 engines were released in 2011 and began phasing out in 2016 in favor of the new BMW B48 engine. I have a SULEV vehicle so its definitely an N20 engine. The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,there's a big difference both This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. 131908 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached Could this be the timing chain? But the solutions havent worked for me. Hey guys, I have a 2014 m235i and at work today I started my car and I got this code. 130104 E84 and E89: 2013 328i, check engine light is on, and the start stop feature does not work on my car. I have 2013 BMW X1 xdrive28i with 79,000 km on it. three fault codes are Understandably, many purists were unhappy with the Bavarian manufacturer's decision. 131401 Yes took off the valve cover 3 times so far. Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. Hi, BMW says I caused engine cease. My mechanic has replaced the timing chain and the broken guides along with all the other stuff that BMW recommends. and as necessary My car has very low mileage, is in excellent condition and I really enjoy driving it, but this potential catastrophe has me concerned.Thank you for your time & expertise. diagnosis system checking faults) Hi, I own a 2012 BMW X1 that recently developed a timing chain problem. Ok,,,,no the sprocket does not have to be in a special position,,,,you have to lock down both camshaft with special tool,,,engine on TDC,,,,you have to tighten the chain tensioner and then you can tighten both vanos unit,,,you should be able to hand turn over the engine to TDC and lock down the camshafts again with the tool and you should be fine after that. It has never been in an accident and the body is in excellent shape. I just can't find a procedure on removing the valve cover and locking down the cams. Thanks for your time. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. If one of the applicable faults listed above is stored in the DME then continue with the 176000km is only 110000 miles, that is a shame that such a nice compact power house(N20/N26 that is) can go bust in such young age, BMW really should step up and recall all the affected N20/N26 with defective parts. The car started fine the first time and every time since. Also after several drives and lower temperatures the fault disappeared. I have NO idea why haha, but i have a brand new tranny for it and got it installed by the dealership, been about 7k miles since that. The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still its really a shame that BMW does not step up. Im planning to buy a used 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i and its in the list. Since the picture was taken by me not by the dealer. no hesitation. All wiring lines are good. CAUSE 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached If a control module was working properly and/or had no related faults stored prior to vehicle everything in the vehicle works extremely well. To my shame, I am not sure how to post video in your blog. This time the desired angle was not a constant as in the previous tests. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 Now how I understand it is this is not a timing issue. Then I changed the exhaust cam gear and the solenoid. I can of course record my engine startup if thatll let you know the case). Thank you in advance. 131401 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust cold start not controllable Reprogram the vehicle ISTA/P 2.50.4 or higher. It is really a shame that BMW does not communicate on the subject, especially since here in Europe the problem is not repeated while in the United States it seems widespread. This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 15 13 dated September 2013. Thanks you! Cleared the code, and restarted the engine, within . Tried test with ista for vanos solenoid test removed solenoid stiff does not move when activated. Neither the VANOS units nor the solenoids have been replaced. But when I try to test VANOS data via ISTA it gives no data, only 0. I've tested the soleniods and they are both good. However I did pay out of pocket to replace by valve cover gasket at a BMW dealership 2 years ago. Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. Yesterday I did get all the fault codes cleared. So temperatures make difference. Tried new battery. If you are using a Main labor code for F25 There are locking pins integrated inside the units. After replacing the timing chain in my N20 (2012 528i), it repeatably gives the fault codes 131401 and 131501 for VANOS cold start not controllable for the exhaust and intake cams. I tried to reset vanos with no success. Hi greatings from Norway i have also a Bmw 320i GT-xdrive with 97k-km i dont hear any winning on the chain.I dont find in your list f34 320i Gt from 07.2013 that means that is not afected or just is not on the list i called allso BMW-and they said that my car is not on the extendet waranty list.Im verry stresed with this timming chain issue every time when i go on the car i listen to the engine is like ridding a time bomb.I am paning to change the timming chain at 150k-km even if is not making the noise.And whi there so many 328i afected and 320i not does it matter if mine is a xdrive?does the chain is more under load fi the care is x-drive? CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming. 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML Nic. I say bad engineering or a BMW scam? In US the N20/N26 timing chain extended limited warranty is 7 years/70000 miles, so what is extended coverage available in your country? Im more concerned with the multiple vanos codes which happened after the fact. 'nhUO}gFXA}_+7"F.\ztVw@%/`>vny#(`YN:2ed_zI.. It also features dual VANOS, valvetronic, and direct injection. The BMW N20 is a 1.6 and 2.0 L (98 and 122 cu in) turbocharged four-cylinder DOHC petrol engine with variable valve lift and variable valve timing which replaced the N53 (or BMW N52 in some markets) and was produced from 2011 to 2017 by BMW. I appreciate any input. Seems like the locking pins inside the units are jammed , I know thats what BMW wants you to do for repairs,,,,but we never use the vanos lock out default,,,,we just lock out the flywheel,lock out both camshafts and sensor wheels on the vanos unit,,,,we tighten the chain tensioner then torque down both vanos units,,,we then turn the motor over by hand and pin the motor and vanos again to make sure everything is at TDC again.,,,I hope this helps. 130304 Vanos exhaust control fault camshaft jammed The boost disable fault was cleared and the engine restarted. Here is a video of whats happening today. The timing chain & guides are bathed in engine oil, not fuel. Any suggestions on what to check on the Vanos for the 131501 code? I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? What me be causing this? The last oil change was two years ago but only 2200 miles were driven. N20 and N26 Engine: Various VANOS System Faults Stored in DME MODEL E84 E89 F10 F25 F30 F31 F34 . Could you please guide me? I have the alignment tool to lock the crankshaft, camshafts and impulse sending wheel. Also how does a dealerships diagnose if a vehicle is eligible for extended timing chain warranty? Hi, I have N20 with rough idle. Code 132408 Vanos Exhaust Intake camshaft not locking at start up check out the. Example: 180101 or 1B9308 or 30FF Enter fault code Emissions Standard As you can see theres is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the exhaust vanos unit,,,,one of the bolt were broken,,,,so I replaced both vanos unit and had to find TDC on the engine and time the engine,,,,while performing this job,,,,,I also removed the oil pan and removed all the broken pieces from the vanos units,,,,,so they dont roll around in the oil pan.,,,,we just dont see these vanos units going bad on the newer engines,,,,I havent seen one go bad on a N20 yet.,,,,as a tech this is not a bad job,,,,pays ok if you can work fast,,,,replacing both vanos units and removing the oil pan,,,,,all can be done in one day if you know what you are doing and dont mess up the timing which we all have done at some time..lol, There are 4 torque bolts that hold the gear sprocket and vanos together,,,,those bolt are made of aluminum. Code 130308 VANOS Exhaust Control fault position reached work, claim this work with the applicable defect code and labor operations listed in KSD2. Code 131501 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS intake cold start- not controllable Id rather not pay more money. As many have said before, thank you for your very valuable insights and information. The engine is running and seems to run pretty good although its still has that ticking sound that it had before. Thoughts?? My 320i with N20 engine have problem with light accelerator or cruise on hightway, about 1.100-1450 rpm.Engine noise u u u like weve a drone around and with little vibration on steering. The car has 103,000 miles. No one knows what this CDA904 code means. What codes would come up when the timing chain fails? So for the E89 Z4 only the 28i N20 powered model is affected and not the 20i sDrive? F10 N20 cylinder block is made of aluminum with two balance shafts and steel-plated cylinders. I assume it will need to be replaced just because its higher in milage but do you think BMW would warranty it out knowing that theyve said it was lifetime of the vehicle? Please advice me how can I go about with the local dealer? U tell me, BMW my have a governor,,,but you still can over rev the engine,,,,it is a strange design that doesnt work,,,but I think BMW did this way so they can blame the customer for over reving the engine and not paying for a blown engine. Ive enjoyed your blog and I hope you will start posting again. Also, I keep getting this code P3195 Radiator coolant temperature signal stuck high, BMW fixed the radiator but this code keeps coming on and off, some days it stays on some days it doesnt stay on. Do I have to buy the extended warranty to get the timing chain replaced by BMW or the 7/70 warranty is for all bmw? Thanks for responding. procedure outlined below. 96K views 5 years ago The BMW N54 and N52 typically have the most issues with this. or You could replace the tensioner if you like,,,you should be ok since your car was probably built in 2015.,,,,you could ask your local dealership on what they think about your car and the timing chain issue. Hopefully it will prove to be a non issue. Now also Im sitting 3 months over then 7/70 mark! Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? Code 120408 Charging Pressure control Switch off as consequence Enter the Chassis Number, Unfortunately for me, I was not informed about an extended free warrantee on the chain and guides, BMW kept it quiet. Hi, thank you for the reply. So now I have one BMW expert telling me its loose and should be taken care of by the dealership, and the dealership is telling me everything is good to go, no problems. Since its not on the list, does this mean this timing chain guide failure is highly unlikely? So far I reset it and it's gone and drove it like 30 miles but kinda worried . With the VANOS solenoids removed, the spring loaded VANOS spool valve moved in and out easily. Hello there, loving your info. Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? But the list post on this forum shows E84 X1 xDrive28i with N20 is a recall! The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. To set the timing properly you have to be sure the Vanos units are locked its end position, so its moving 1:1 with the camshaft. Connect scan tool to the 16-pin data link connector (DLC) located underneath the steering column. It looks like the car is on this recall list. It is a total mystery (to me) as to why it works now. Think I'll avoid this. During a recent oil change & tire rotation service visit, my regular BMW service establishment (non-dealership) let me know my timing chain was loose and I should get it checked out at the local BMW dealership. I bought an x3 28ix build on 07/2015, model 2016 with 124000km. 2D57 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached What could be the problem? module. We are just have an idea that it is fuel related due to other countries dont have the same problem as we do,,,and we have different fuel requirement then other countries,,,,so what might be happen is the the fuel burn is not as great as other countries and causing more stress on the timing chain causing it to break down. Direksiyon kilidi/Kontak alteri BMW paralar 47738. 2D61 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached https://youtu.be/Frj0a82XfDo, He did not notice any whining- but do you hear whining in this second video? Just replaced timing chain and oil pump module on n20 13 528i xdrive. There were no faults. Learn how your comment data is processed. possible oil pump chain broken? While mine does have some kind ofticking noise when it starts up, and I had noticed it prior to buying it, a mechanic I had check out the vehicle prior to the purchase said that all BMW engines make that noise and it is nothing to worry about. Four months later I got a drive train malfunction that turned on then went away after a day. Hi bmwtechnician, bimmerfest.com is an independent BMW enthusiast website owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc. are the codes it wont start i have a timing chain set on the way have you seen any of these engine survive after Is it possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve, spring and check ball for cleaning with the VANOS unit in the engine? The engine start ok. no misfiring. DME. You only touched an accessories belt part. You can't just bolt it up and clear the fault. Ill check my gas cap but I need to clear this code. The connector may have a removable cover. Hi,,,yes your car is not on the list but that doesnt mean that it still has this problem,,,and since your car is 4 wheel drive the chain is not being used more it is the same on both 4 wheel drive and rear wheel drive,,,,now if you want to keep the vehicle it is a good idea to replace the timing chain and rails and oil pump chain for safety reasons. Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). and if necessary, also unfortunately info on this N20 is almost none exist at best. Ok,,,if you have a sulve then you have a N26 which is ok,,,you need to tell the dealership that you hear a abnormal whine from the engine area and hopefully they do something about this timing chain issue. No I dont think it is covered,,,and what lifetime of the vehicle are you talking about. Just to be clear, there are two different parts of the VANOS solenoids on the N20. Jul 8, 2020. December 2013 designates changes to this revision FM pistons with negative bias of piston ring are also installed in this motor. My engine shut of while idle in park. I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. Or will my timing chain, etc. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. BMW X3 and X4 Forums | F25 (2011 - 2017) | F26 (2014 - 2017), Second Generation BMW X3 (F25) General Forum, https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/fshaft/HtiBPV3K, https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2053485-8362.pdf. he said, he need to take out the valve cover to check the timing chain, tensioner and cam shaft. Code 131501 returned. Opened oil pan and checked pick up screen. due to a low oil pressure and chain noise.now iam having inlet and outlet vanos dtc . The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,theres a big difference both cars and software,,,also your 2009 mow doesnt make any new updates for that car because of age. F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership : BmwTech 2 Posted by 2 years ago F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership Hey guys, I have a 2014 F30 with the N20 motor and the only mods are the dinan stage 3 tune and a dinan fmic. My engine is N52 It has the N26 engine, factory warranty has expired. cover and expose some wires and by moving around stuff they was rubbing together and i had the battery connect at that time too.need some help please thank in advance, Ok,,,,you said you smell gas and black smoke out of the exhaust, and you have wiring harness damage to Dinan piggy back,,,I would think this is your problem the harness is damaged and can be causing your problem with the fuel injectors dumping to much fuel into the engine,,,you can remove the spark plugs and see if they are fuel soaked to verify this problem,,,,I dont know if you can remove the Dinan piggy back and put it back to stock.,,,I hope this helps, Update on my car was other human error wrong timing was locking the camshaft with lobs facing down, i correct it and veh stated up right away..THANKS for taking time to assess me. Specific eligible repairs may also be covered by the terms of the Federal, State or BMW Emissions As the outgoing N52 and N53 were reliable engines, the BMW N20 had big shoes to fill, especially given its turbocharged design. 2D5B VANOS, intake, control fault, position not reached your input is much apreciated, There a BMW sib 12 15 13 which says this problem is due to a software issue with the DME ,,,,you need to program the vehicle,,,,you can see the bulletin on the Internet. reference point is the same? 130304 Reset codes and adaptations without increment wheel. Apr 14, 2022 BMW F30 328i 2013 N20 engine "Drivetrain malfunction etc" comes on occasionally. 5%? Do you think it has to do something with the timing belt. If that helps you with anything! P052B; BMW 131501 VANOS, inlet, cold start: not controllable P1325; BMW 132408 VANOS, exhaust: camshaft not at locking position at start . My daughters car had the timing chain issue N20. or ground from chassis to engine? Looks all good. The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. or can I slowly unscrew the center valve and insert a new one? Two questions: Should I be concerned about the timing chain/guides issue in her vehicle? I fear that your 2012 X1 is now past the 7 year warranty limit. Thanks! The N20 is a 2.0L inline-4 single turbo engine that replaced the naturally aspirated 3.0L N52/N53. Looking forward to the return of your blog. I guess I can continue to enjoy the car and see what happens or sell it. My daughters 2013 survived. I got this issue and luckily BMW covered it 100%. Now getting error 131501. I got a few drivetrain malfunctions last week: 131501 vanos, intake, cold start; not adjustable 120408 reduced power mode. The Service Engine Soon lamp and Engine Malfunction warning are illuminated, and the vehicle Am I free of concern? When the VANOS solenoids were removed for testing I checked the marks I made on the VANOS impulse wheels and on the harmonic balancer and they looked perfect. Page 2 of 4 Or anything else you have come across? Table 2 - Engine N20 and N26 Fault codes Model ISTA/P version / Target Integration Level All (see attachment) I12 2.53.0 / I001-14-07-500 or higher Fault codes Model ISTA/P version / Target Integration Level All (see attachment) except faults 2D55 or 131501 E84, E89 2.53.0 / E89X-14-07-500 or higher F10 2.53.2 / F010-14-07-503 or higher F15 . It was somewhat cold today around 20 degrees. Thank you for your time and expertise. Do you think is this something related to eccentric shaft sensor? Today my engine shut off while I was driving. The process of deleting the faults and restarting the car was performed many times. My 2013 X3 28i timing chain was replaced by BMW (no cost to me) in January 2019 at 107,000 km. Here the vehicle was driven only at SP98. There are no timing codes. thanks, You might want to look at the timing chain on a N20,,,that can cause a lot of different problem, Your email address will not be published. 61 00 730 Refer to KSD2 Programming/encoding control unit(s) also it has a start stall initially. 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I know there has been a lot of people complaining to BMW NA about this problem,,,I think there is a case where people are trying to sue BMW over the timing chain issue,,,one of the problems is none of the other BMW have this problem only the N20-N26. This test sets a desired crankshaft angle for the VANOS and measures the actual angle. Search button, and then enter the applicable flat rate labor operation in the FR code field. Good day. If performing other ISTA diagnostics and related test plans results with eligible and covered only be fixed if it seems like my car will experience the issue (like if they hear the rattling noise that commenters have mentioned/you replied about. I own a 2015 X1 with a manufacture date of April 2014. And yes the crank wouldnt rotate after being inserted. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: I called BMW and they said no recalls on the car and told me to take it to a BWM Official garage. 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