They are the sole reason he is dead. Sometimes to excess. WebPiazza's family left the courtroom when surveillance video was played. In the fourth day of a preliminary hearing in the Centre County Courthouse in Bellefonte, State College Police Detective David Scicchitano testified that authorities recovered a surveillance camera from the basement of the fraternity house, but footage prior to Feb. 6 had vanished. One of the 18 Beta Theta Pi members charged with the Feb. 4 death of 19-year-old Tim Piazza removed everything from the basement camera two days after his alcohol-related passing. Timothy Piazza, 19, was given 18 drinks in less than I'm not hanging on tooth and nail to anything, because I'm not invested in this on a personal level. Piazza's parents have spoken out poignantly about the incident. Harry Kamerow said he used video evidence and medical records to establish that Piazza's fall at 11:22 p.m. down the basement steps caused his fatal brain and spleen I just wanted to have a conversation. No other parents have acted like this when they have lost their child in similar fashion. Penn State's former Beta Theta Pi fraternity house now sits empty. Piazza's death "was the direct result of traumatic brain injuries," according to the forensic pathologist on the case. They are grieving parents looking for something to explain why their son has been killed. Its unclear whether the camera was in a position to capture one of Piazzas several falls during a night of drinking. According to reporters at the hearing, Scicchitano said the fraternity brothers were acting like "drill sergeants" and yelling at the pledges to drink. Of course the fraternity should be punished. Tim was accountable to himself for over drinking, but the rest of the frat was accountable for essentially leaving him to rot and die, despite obvious symptoms of trauma and injury, and likely alcohol poisoning. But he didn't die because he got knock out drunk; he died because of the head trauma and later mishandling of the situation by people who had claimed to be there to look out for and support him. A sketch shows the preliminary hearing in the death of Penn State student Timothy Piazza resumes in Centre County Courthouse, Bellefonte, Penn., Aug. 10, 2017. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. i have to say, if this were just a random person from the general public, they seriously wouldnt be this invested to make a throwaway account to make someone change their simpleton mind and then it results in you fighting to hang onto every tooth and infected hang nail (points which are not at all logical, and seriously only are one a sociopathic, guilty person would be rationalizing) Youre throwing shit to a wall and hoping it sticks, desperate for a new defense to use in court since the basement footage has now been released. Absolutely nobody around checking on him? (CBSN). Timothy Piazza, 19, from New Jersey died after falling down a flight of stairs during a hazing ritual at the Beta Theta Pi fraternity house. This might not be as bad as consciously deciding to delay medical treatment, but this is still something the fraternity brothers should be culpable for. Attorney Rocco Cipparone Jr., whose client Michael Bonatucci was accused of new counts of furnishing alcohol to minors and liquor code violations, said he hopes the next district attorney will take a fresh look at the case and some of the charging decisions that have been made.. I don't know, a lot of humane sensible things. WebSurveillance video inside a Penn State frat house showed a student who looked like a corpse by the time fraternity members came to his aid, a police detective said on I'm pissed at these guys, and I've got no skin in the game. Centre County Report. Where Piazza is not at fault, where the parents have a right to be upset, and why this is a major issue at all is that the fraternity didn't seek timely medical attention that could have saved his life. The legal system is mostly consequentialist simply because letting judges and juries decide which defendants are 'nice people at heart' and let them go, is exactly how lynch mobs and rich, pillar of the community rapists got away with a slap on the wrists or less. The bombshell revelation by State College police Detective David Scicchitano came during a hearing to determine if theres enough evidence to send the case to trial. In fact, on video, Tim Piazza does not obtain his own alcohol at any point rather, every drink consumed was provided to him by a fraternity brother, she said. The most serious offenses include involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, while others are charged with hazing or alcohol violations. WebA A. Tim Piazza was shown before his death on a video played by prosecutors on Monday suffering from a fall during an alcohol-fueled Penn State fraternity pledging event as his He had to have more than half his skull removed to relieve the massive pressure built up from all those head injuries. We've received your submission. "This is about Tim Piazza, and Tim Piazza died, and there should be an absolute reverence in that courtroom," said Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller. In partnership with I'm not involved in this situation, and I'm not a bad guy. Reporters inside the Centre County Courthouse live tweeted the proceedings as the prosecution played the surveillance footage from the Beta Theta Pi fraternity party on Feb. 2, the night of Piazza's fatal injury. From trying to beat him awake, to abandoning him, to covering up the evidence, everything about this shows criminal negligence. Video on a camera insidea Penn State fraternity house was erasedtwo days after a pledge died followinga night of hazing and heavy drinking, a detective testified Thursday, according to media reports. Obviously you are riding a very high horse and looking down on me. Piazza died as a "direct result of the extremely reckless conduct of members of the Beta fraternity," aided by the permissive atmosphere fostered by Penn State's Interfraternity Council, the grand jury found. Piazza was at the Penn State University fraternity for a pledge event in February when he died after falling down a flight stairs. His lawyer did not return a message seeking comment. Heated disagreements broke out while Parks Miller shared hours of evidence with the court, including surveillance video from cameras set up around the frat house. The grand jury that investigated Piazzas death, video footage and preliminary hearing testimony painted a disturbing picture of his final night inside the fraternity house. Video footage from the fraternity's extensive surveillance system has been crucial in the case and helped prosecutors construct a timeline of events that led to Piazza's death. Prosecutors allege Piazza was forced to drink excessively before falling and hurting himself. 18 and up is an adult. Piazza, a 19-year-old engineering student from Lebanon, New Jersey, suffered a fractured skull, shattered spleen and other injuries, likely during a series of falls inside the house. He died two days later at a hospital. Piazza, a 19-year-old sophomore from New Jersey, died after tumbling down a flight of stairs and fracturing his skull during an alcohol-fueled pledge ritual at the Beta Theta Pi house on Feb. 4. Web237K views 5 years ago There are new developments in connection with the case of the fraternity hazing ritual at Penn State that allegedly caused the tragic death of 19-year-old The hearing, which is expected to enter a fifth day Friday, will determine whether there is enough evidence to send the case to trial. Piazza eventually staggered to the basement where he fell down a flight of stairs. At various points in between, fraternity brothers allegedly slapped Piazza several times in the face and stomach. (Abby Drey/AP). Piazza subsequently stumbled toward the basement steps, then fell down them. Meanwhile, tensions were high in the courtroom Thursday, with Centre County District Attorney Stacey Parks Miller turning her back on Judge Allen Sinclair to speak directly to the courtroom gallery, Philly.com reports. Doctors saidthesophomore from Lebanon, N.J.,suffered multiple traumatic brain injuries, including a fractured skull and a lacerated spleen. The fraternity was supposed to be alcohol-free after a suspension in 2009. Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. They have caused that condition," said Parks Miller. Over the course of 42 more minutes, the video footage shows them hauling Piazza back upstairs, shaking him, and attempting to prop his limp body up on the couch. WebPenn State sophomore Tim Piazza spent his final hours dragging his bruised and bloodied body across a beer-soaked fraternity house floor, stumbling down stairs into iron railings, He had ruptured spleen and was bleeding internally to the point that he was in class IV hemorrhagic shock (the worst level of shock caused by blood loss) by the time he made it to the hospital. The district attorney's office in Centre County, Pennsylvania, has announced new charges in the death of Tim Piazza. Newly recovered security camera footage from inside a Penn State fraternity house showed a pledge had been given at least 18 drinks in less than 90 minutes, investigators said Monday in announcing dozens of new charges related to the pledges death. Third, being stupid instead of evil is not a defense for a crime. after reading this entire thread and especially all of your answers OP im getting the impression you are either someone (a brother/pledge) who was there that night, or someone with some type of intimate frat involvement to the case and timothy. Timothy is accountable for over consuming alcohol (under severe social pressure from his Brothers, which could easily be argued as coercion). PennLive.com reporter Christian Alexandersen was also at the hearing. That little rant you went into wasn't cool at all. This is a footnote from the CMV moderators. First of all, these are not kids, they are adults. Advertisement I don't even know where you get the whole idea I am making personal digs at people, or how you can think anything i said could only be thought by a frat bro, or whatever. At the news conference Monday, Piazza's father said he is committed to pursuing the charges against the members of the fraternity, which has been shut down by Penn State. You are asking them to think and act rationally about this, and that is something that is very difficult for grieving people to do. Piazza died Feb. 4 at a hospital after consuming what authorities said was a dangerous amount of alcohol, as well as sustaining severe injuries to his head and abdomen. Before emergency assistance arrived, the brothers wiped blood from his face and attempted to dress him, but his body was too rigid to successfully put clothes on. Privacy Policy | Not only have you accused me if being involved in this or something like this, you have decided I am a sociopath. "Piazza looks like dead weight. Parks Miller, whos leaving office at the end of the year, then refiled many of the charges. "He falls, gets injured, spleen, head, repeatedly. He did not reveal the name of the member in question. He is estimated to have had a blood alcohol content (BAC) of nearly .40 on the night of the hazing incident. Any one of these people could have stayed with him kept him from doing further damage to himself. And to answer your last questionno I would not file charges or sue. Prosecutors claim fraternity members Build a site and generate income from purchases, subscriptions, and courses. "However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.". Lawsuits claim it wrecked their teeth. Obviously the situation is horrible, but kids need to understand they are responsible for their actions. I think they're acting like distraught parents struggling to cope with the death of their son even if it means distorting reality a bit and choosing to see his son in the best of lights and his frat brothers in the worst. Watch Live: Closing arguments begin in double murder trial of Alex Murdaugh, Ex-Georgia star Jalen Carter was racing in deadly crash, arrest warrants allege, Watch Live: Garland testifies amid ongoing special counsel investigations, Fiery train crash in Greece kills dozens, many of them students. They waited an additional 40 minutes before summoning help, police say. Not every tragedy is a crime, said Ems lawyer, Bill Brennan. In May, a grand jury revised that assessment, calling it "the direct result of encouraged reckless conduct." The footage was collected by 12 cameras positioned throughout the house, the Inquirer reported. Some time later, Piazza regained consciousness and rolled off the couch. Another 11 frat members are already facing similar charges. I posted here because I realized my opinion on the incident is different then just about anyone elses. I don't see our legal system as something to be used for extracting a pound of flesh. Enter with a mindset for conversation, not debate. Time goes on and he falls off the couch and when he is found off the couch still unconscious he is thrown back on the couch, slapped around and punched him in the abdomen while completely unresponsive. WebTim Piazza may have been somewhat complicit in the hazing. "Not going to lie, this footage is pretty tough to watch," Alexandersen tweeted, around the same time Snyder reported the courtroom was silent. Authorities based the new charges on the Beta Theta Pi basement surveillance footage deleted by a fraternity member following the 19-year-old's death. Again normal people would have called for medical assistance seeing as he is still unresponsive or at least have a person watch over him but they left him. During questioning in court Thursday, Scicchitano said one of the 18 fraternity members already facing charges in connection to Piazza's death earlier this year may have deleted the basement video. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. "That's the evidence that the commonwealth now has.". When he finally woke up and tried to roll off, they slammed him back down, slapped him in the face and poured beer on him. Of the accused young men, eight face involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment and hazing, among other charges; four face reckless endangerment and hazing, among other charges; and six face charges for evidence tampering. "She has asked that the case be reassigned to another judge, but she is working against the clock. WebNewly-recovered footage shows Beta Theta Pi members forcing 18 drinks on Piazza and other pledges in less than an hour and a half on the night he sustained the injuries that He was estimated to have had a blood-alcohol level several times the legal limit for adult drivers. No average person would sit there, make the strange. personal nit picky digs that you were, trying to justify their blatant disregard for a humans life. In May, a grandjury concluded fraternity members were indifferent to Piazza's condition as they deleted text messages andattempted to conceal evidence of hazing and underage drinking. I just don't like the way this kids parents have acted at all. It was at this point that he was carried upstairs. The results of an investigation into surveillance video of the fraternity I don't think they're acting like assholes. But, still, they pressured him into drinking too much. Mystery Surrounds Mom-of-3 Found Dead After Failing to Pick up Children from School, Police Ask for Patience, Missing Nevada Woman Stopped Contact with Family, Police Seek Tips, Unknown Man Seen Using Missing Georgia Mans Credit Card in Baton Rouge. In June, Piazza family attorney Tom Kline told CBS News the family hasn't decided whether they'll be in the courtroom when the surveillance videos are played. Piazza, a 19-year-old sophomore at Penn State, fell down the stairs at the Beta Theta Pi house during a night of drinking for a pledge ceremony there on Feb. 2. This wasnt boys being boys. For the time he was awake during those twelve hours he was in agony. I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. Police have said Piazza fell head first down 15 basement steps at around 11 p.m. on the night of Feb. 2, but no one called 911 until the next morning. And as tragic as the loss of this young man is, Joey Ems never should have been charged with a crime.. BELLEFONTE, Pa. -- (WNEP) -- Investigators say a Penn State fraternity pledge's slow death at a frat party was caught on cameras. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. After 40 minutes of debating on what the next step should be, the conclusion was made that Piazza's injuries were indeed serious, and that he would require medical attention. DiBileo and 15 other fraternity brothers spent over 10 hours in court listening to evidence. They bought and served absurd amounts of alcohol to a minor. Fraternity members found him in the basement the next morning andcarried him back upstairs. "The videotape is horrible, and it is gruesome," Kline said. Brothers [in the fraternity] were coming up to him and giving him those drinks.". Look at the definition of murder..I don't like over the top hyperbole and I think that's why this case has bothered me in terms of coverage. Ad Choices, Video surveillance from Pennsylvania State University fraternity house shown in court - WNEP. These were supposed to be his friends. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Thanks for contacting us. And what happened throughout the night was just careless disregard for human life.". Tim Piazza (center) is pictured with his parents, Evelyn and James. He was later pronounced dead at a hospital in the early hours of Feb. 4. / CBS News. Another 11 frat members are already facing similar charges. State College Police Detective David Scicchitano said he believed he knew the identity of the person who deleted the footage, PennLive.com reported. Scicchitano said one of the members of Beta Theta Pi already facing charges in connection to the death of engineering student Tim Piazza deleted the footage, but he did not identity that individual in court, PennLive.com reports. The revelation came on Day 4 of the preliminary hearing for the fraternity brothers facing charges ranging from involuntary manslaughter to furnishing alcohol to minors. Ok, you are right. They used this power not to keep him safe but to encourage him to drink to the point where even if he hadn't injured himself he would have almost certainly been hospitalized or died of alcohol poisoning. He was pronounced dead less than 24 hours later. Twelve new fraternity members now face charges in the investigation. PennLive.come reports State College Police Detective David Scicchitano was on the witness stand for nearly 10 hours during the hearing. He continued to stand up only to repeatedly fall back down. "No parent wants to see what is apparently on this videotape.". The charges filed Monday which range from involuntary manslaughter to aggravated assault and hazing rely on surveillance footage taken during the pledge event connected with the 19-year-old's death. "A young man died unnecessarily," District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller (center) told reporters. Susan Snyder, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer, was at the hearing. This may actually explain why we disagree so much Edit 2: do you have a personal connect to this? What led to his death was the negligent behavior of the fraternity members after Tim was first injured. Excerpts from the footage havebeen compelling: Fraternity members are shown holding Piazza down, strapping him to a backpack to keep him from turning over and choking, pouring liquids on him and trying to get him to stand so they could dress him even whenhe appeared to be unconscious. need to get some shit off your chest? Get browser notifications for breaking news, live events, and exclusive reporting. But until recently, that did not include the basement, where Piazza was found the next morning. Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. Sucks that you have to come in basically bullying me because we disagree. Piazza was carried to a couch where frat brothers poured beer on him, hit him, and eventually propped him on his side. Piazza had consumed at least 18 drinks in less than an hour and a half, according to prosecutors. Prosecutors claim the former fraternity brothers at Beta Theta Pi waited to get Piazza help in an attempt to cover up their drinking and "coordinate a story.". Piazza was a freshman taken in by the frat, the senior frat members are both stupid and evil. Please enable JavaScript to experience Vimeo in all of its glory. Prosecutors indicated that police would be filing additional charges in connection to the deleted video, PennLive.com reports. It's a horrible idea for any crime, this one included. All of the footage from a basement camera prior to Feb. 6 had been deleted before authorities had a chance to obtain it. I can concede they are stupid. Three brothers picked him up and "slammed" him back onto the couch. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. No one called for help until late the next morning, and the New Jersey native died Feb. 4. That previous footage allegedly depicted Piazza, severely under the influence, falling head-first down the stairs at about 11 p.m. and falling again around 5 a.m., hitting his head against a metal railing. Tim Piazza (center) is pictured with his parents, Evelyn and James. This isn't a mistake, it's murder. The houses security system captured many of the events the night Piazza was injured, footage that had already been played at a preliminary hearing for those charged previously. He fell down drunk, which initially knocked him out so that much is his fault. That night after the February event, Piazza drunkenly fell down the stairs and sustained the injuries that led to his death less than two days later. He is then carried up, while unconscious, by a group of frat brothers who then proceed to "slam" him, slap him, pour water on him and even throw a shoe at him, according to accounts of the footage. The grand jury that investigated Piazzas death, video footage and preliminary hearing testimony painted a disturbing picture of his final night inside the fraternity house. Plus I have been open to other view points when they have been raised. Now we get into our first example of negligence, when they blew off the brother who could tell something was wrong a short time after the accident. "I believe the charges will be bound over. 2023 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Satellite Information Network, LLC. 7:45 p.m. Piazza was seen on his hands and knees in WebPiazza, a 19-year-old sophomore at Penn State, fell down the stairs at the Beta Theta Pi house during a night of drinking for a pledge ceremony there on Feb. 2. Speaking of which, downvotes don't change views! It was estimated that he had .40% BAC and a lethal BAC is roughly .30%-.40%. WebDuring Mondays hearing, prosecutors showed three hours of video from the fraternitys surveillance cameras of Piazza before and after he became intoxicated, the New York The fraternity brothers who encouraged him to drink had power over him while he was, for several reasons, unable to effectively say no or fully understand his actions. While this event is horribly tragic, I don't think it serves anyone to blame the other fraternity members and act like Timothy piazza had no involvement. everything that happened after he regained consciousness (although it sounds like he may have already been in debilitating pain by this point) could have been prevented if they had just given 2 shits about a person that they called a brother. If you see a comment that has broken one, it is more effective to report it than downvote it. Join Vimeo What these people chose to do was make it worse and try to hide the fact they were breaking campus rules at the cost of a fellow members well being. A fraternity is supposed to be like a second family. But the hazing was not the unconscionable part of what happened, and it wasn't what led to his death. His brothers carried him, unconscious, to a couch and left him there. As no one was left around him this all went unnoticed and he was left on the floor. Sure. "A young man died unnecessarily," she said. I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. And all colleges and fraternities are supposed to have anti-hazing rules in place. WebThe Discovery of Timothy Piazzas Unconscious body is disturbing. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The grand jury concluded that, after Piazza was taken to the hospital, there was an active attempt to conceal evidence of the hazing and underage drinking, from deleting text messages to admitting to discussing erasing surveillance video. I can only imagine the anguish of being a parent, and losing your child this way. Any one of these members could have called for help. What is he responsible for? Other security camera footage from inside the sprawling frat house shown during previous hearings depicted frat members alternatively holding Piazza down or strapping him to a backpack to keep from rolling over and choking while he appeared to be unconscious. He can't protect himself from the alcohol and the injuries, and it goes on and on until he dies, and then they don't render aid at that point. We'd like to remind you of a couple of things. Ten other students are facing related charges of reckless endangerment, tampering with evidence and providing alcohol to minors, among other charges. According to several reporters live-tweeting the surveillance footage from that night and early morning, it was hard to watch. His brain had swollen to the point that roughly half of his skull had to be removed to relieve the pressure. A place to post an opinion you accept may be flawed, in an effort to understand other perspectives on the issue. hide caption. Flanked by Piazza's parents, Centre County district attorney Stacy Parks Miller told reporters that 12 new defendants, as well as five old ones, are facing new criminal charges, including involuntary manslaughter, hazing and giving alcohol to minors. 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