Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? No comments. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." But which'party' is Bill referring to? Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. He wasn't positive. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. ME> Again. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. ">> "Victor what can I say. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. 0. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. Is that how > you> would describe it? But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. NG was :>the realization of that potential. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. >>What else could he call it? What a joke to call them "philosophers." Can it really compete with Rupert? Was she the women at the party?" He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. Put on some headphones and listen. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. WebSynopsis. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Congratulations. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. WebEyes Wide Shut. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). 0. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. ", "Victor what can I say. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Poor Clark. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. But examine the frame showing the overhead shot in the morgue, with all the shots of Mandy in the bathroom. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. ANSWER. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. at the ceremony/orgy. 2. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). <<<<<<<<<<. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was> showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. And Milich was expecting him. It's just idiotic. Crumb Eye. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. <<<<<<<<<<<. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". I am ready >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. OT. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? Statanic mass? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. >What else could he call it? >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. Let him go! Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. <<<<<<<<<<. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. Web .
1925 . S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" She helps Bill at the It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. Encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mask left it be odd for him to,. 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