Gobbis explanation, which is not covered by the imprimatur. And the local Bishop of Civita Castellana appears to have been quietly supportive of Gisella Cardia, having given access early on to a chapel for the overwhelming influx visitors who began to gather in the Cardias house to pray, once news of the apparitions began to spread. Gobbi, requested and advised that he should not claim in the books introduction that these messages are from the Blessed Mother, but rather that they are the product of his own personal meditation., Fr. Is Jesus going to return in glory by the year 2000? For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' Walter would hear her voice through interior locutionsin words as clear to him as his ownand she began to guide, shape, and teach him. Fr. Through what became The Spiritual Diary, Jesus and Mary taught Elizabeth, and they continue to instruct the faithful in the divine art of suffering for the salvation of souls. The messages she receives are audio recorded by two people and then transcribed by a nun. 91. Is it canonically correct for a Lector to change the scriptures to a more "politically correct" form? In 1948, the Communist Nationalization of Hungary was a harsh master, and she was fired from her first job for having a statue of the Blessed Mother in her home. Oddly enough, there is no concern over inclusive language in other English speaking countries. This will happen when my apparitions here at Itapiranga will end. GOBBI CONCERNING THE WARNING. Salvation and sanctification: the two ultimate desires God has for His dear children. The two current visionaries, Simona Patalano and Angela Fabiani, receive messages on the 8th and 26th of each month, and Don Ciro Vespoli, who provides spiritual guidance to them, was himself one of a group of seers during the initial phase of the apparitions, before he became a priest. . All has been revealed to you "Beloved sons, in silence and in prayer, spend with me the final hours of this year which is about to end. He also received a visitation from St. Pio and locutions from St. Thrse de Lisieux, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Michael the Archangel and dozens from Our Lady while in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Many people do not understand that the Church teaches infallibly in many ways, ex cathedra decrees being only one. There are several major reasons for focusing on Trevignano Romano as a potentially important and solid prophetic source. Gobbis explanation of the thousand-year reign clearly falls into the category of mitigated millenarianism, which cannot be taught safely.. When she was thirteen, He appeared to her in a vision that she witnessed from the balcony of her home. Thy Will be done. For those who do not believe, I wish to tell them that one day, where this Cross is, I will give a visible sign, and all will believe in my maternal presence here at Itapiranga, but it will be too late for those who have not converted. Fr. Father Stefano Gobbi was born in Dongo, Italy, north of Milan in 1930 and died in 2011. The visionaries and their apparitions, therefore, are therefore subject to intense scrutiny, and to our knowledge, there have been no allegations of malpractice. That judgment may be "misinformed" (through no fault of its own), but conscience, in making its judgment according to the intellectual lights the person has, does what conscience is meant to do. 3:7). Stefano Gobbi, were published in the book, To the Priests, Our Lady's Beloved Sons, which has received the Imprimatur of three cardinals and many archbishops and bishops worldwide. . It does not replace any of the existing devotions and practices that Heaven has been asking of usfrequenting the Sacraments, praying the Rosary, fasting, reading Scripture, consecrating ourselves to Mary, doing works of mercy, etc.rather, it makes these calls even more urgent and exalted, for we can now do all these things in a truly divinized way. Gods triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of the passing world (677). Father Jos Mara Fernandez Rojas has remained beside Luz de Mara as her confessor from the beginning of her locutions and visions, and two priests work with her permanently. David Stone, 57, hosted a talk show for youth from 2001-2007 . The idea that fallen angels could be at the origin of the messages nonetheless seems extremely unlikely, given their theological content and exhortations to holiness. Part of dealing with this kind of situation is to recognize that we can't change those around us; we can only change ourselves. In it, our Lady contradicts Pope John Paul II and Sr. Lucia, one of the seers of Fatimaboth of whom have confirmed that Popes consecration of Russia and the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, made on March 25, 1984, fulfilled our Ladys request. See the pictures taken from her apparition website https://www.lareginadelrosario.com/, which say Siate testimoni (be witnesses), Abbiate fede (have faith), Maria santissima (Mary most holy), Popolo mio (My people), and Amore (Love). Gobbis explanation of the Second Coming line up with Church teaching? I answered affirmatively, and then after a day of continuous prayer, that night, Christ appeared to me on the Cross and shared His wounds. For one thing, Mother seems to live in a world of black and white. LOCATION: Milan, Italy. Along with the Churchs caution about accepting Fr. Scripture: At the last trumpet. He indicated the Church's right to authorize a legitimate development in doctrine and piety that becomes part of a larger process in which the current problems of the Church and the present needs of souls are being met by the Holy Spirit. Sometimes these are in the presence of witnesses for which we have video evidence (see here). Their banner was recently blessed by Pope Francis. And remember, the errors weve discussed are contained in Fr. It is estimated that around 8000 witnesses were present, including TV journalists, because Our Lady of Anguera had promised the previous day to give a sign to skeptics. But such millenarianism is alien to the message of faith. Again, the judgment may be objectively wrong because the knowledge used is objectively erroneous; but the judgment of conscience is able to be subjectively correctand subjectively moral. Roux counters by pointing out that this personal advice . Conscience is a "judgment" about the moral lawfulness/unlawfulness of a particular action. Gobbis locutions. No one armed with theCatechismcould fail to notice the discrepancies. Over the years, these numbers that materialized would confirm on countless occasions the spontaneous conversations in their cenacles, and now today, the events taking place around the world. I DECLARE that I have not found any doctrinal error that attempts against the faith, morality and good habits, for which I grant these publications the IMPRIMATUR. Your experiences and what you feel are not at all unique. Top Fr. Elizabeth Kindelmann You are correct that a person must follow one's conscience, provided that one's conscience is both formed and informed. Pawel said, Spread the messages to the world any way you can.. If you had to use inclusive language in Spanish or Italian, for example, you wouldn't be able to talk. About Fr. There are really two questions to be answered here regarding centering prayer: (1) whether the method itself is compatible with authentic Christian spirituality, and (2) whether such a method is advised for a particular person. He gathered them into a book, To the Priests: Our Lady's Beloved Sons, and presented it to the Marian Movement. . Click here to see a video of the miracle of the sun (Trevignano Romano 17 Settembre 2019 Miracolo del sole/Trevignano Romano September 17, 2019 Miracle of the sun.) Click here to see Gisella, her husband, Gianni, and a priest, witnessing the miracle of the sun in a public gathering of one of Gisellas apparitions of the Virgin Mary. This article explains why it may be dangerous for faithful Catholics to participate in the Marian Movement of Priests or to believe in the locutions of its founder, Fr. Stefano Gobbi have now begun. In addition, unbelief in this persons locutions or that persons visions doesnt equate to joining Satans attacks on our Lady. The new edition of the NAB has included some elements of "inclusive language," but it is not proper for a lector, priest, or anyone else to change what he finds in the text on his own authority. Moreover, Our Lady specifically requested a Christian evangelization directed in a distinct way toward the youth and the construction of a simple chapel for pilgrims, as well as the institution of a soup kitchen in Itapiranga for needy children. Journeyman: Joined: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:13 pm Posts: 716 Location: South Central Texas . So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills" (Rom. It wasnt until she became a Daughter of Mary that the nightmares finally ceased at the age of eleven. One must use one's God-given-gift of reason to assess the truth of even a teaching of the Church; and if one determines conscientiously that a teaching is erroneous, one must not follow it. el libro del padre gobbi El libro titulado "A LOS SACERDOTES, HIJOS PREDILECTOS DE LA SANTSIMA VIRGEN" contiene los mensajes que la Virgen Mara nos trasmite por medio del Padre Gobbi a travs de locuciones interiores, recibidas desde 1973 hasta fines de 1997, fecha del ltimo mensaje revelado por Mara , y aparentemente la . Gobbis own meditations, it is not unreasonable to put some stock in his advice.. In 1992, Marco Ferrari began meeting with friends to pray the Rosary on Saturday evenings. Marian Movement of Priests. Jesus immediately granted her request by allowing her body to assume an immobile, rigid-like state that appeared almost as if she were dead. See www.MarysMantleConsecration.com. I have to respond to your remarks about conscience because they are so wrong, and reflect what is a very common misunderstanding. The principal themes of the messages to Eduardo Ferreira (more than 8000 to date) are convergent with the majority of other serious contemporary prophetic sources. Father Gobbi believes that he continues to receive interior locutions from Our Lady, which are collected in book form and distributed among the members of the movement. ET - bit.ly/EWTNtv. I have to admit this type of thing 'spooks' me and sounds off little caution alarm bells in my head. Along with his academic work, Father Miller was a frequent guest on EWTN. But once the conscience has been informed as to the reality of what the Church teaches, then the excused no longer exists, and one must now act in accord with the new standard the conscience has received. A question of great importance and controversy. I disagree with your assessment: it is NOT "therefore useless.". [1] According to the MMP, its members now include over 400 Catholic cardinals and bishops, more than 100,000 Catholic priests, and several million lay . Granted that it may be "objectively wrong in judgment," but it is "subjectively" correct when it judges according to what the mind knows. I think I agree with your conclusions at the end of the message. For a historical overview of the Churchs discernment ofMedjugorje, readMedjugorjeWhat You May Not Know. Taken from the best-selling book, The Warning: Testimonies and Prophecies of the Illumination of Conscience. No, I need to make that decision right now, and Walter took off. The Polish mystic, Alicja Lenczewska, was born in Warsaw in 1934 and died in 2012, her professional life being spent primarily as a teacher and associate director of a school in the northwestern city of Szczecin. Gobbi himself says, "No locution, not even such as are gathered together in this book, could take the place of, or be put on a par with, an official public statement of the faith of the Church, from which the complete physiognomy of Mary and her mission will become apparent. . All quotations of Fr. Twice, she tried to enter religious congregations but was rejected. I don't believe that you have any reason to be concerned about whether you are on the right path, as long as that path leads to the Lord. You bring the topics to the show on our Unscripted show. Another question, if you will indulge me Is it O.K. From 1870 to 1940, over four hundred bishops, eighty thousand priests and religious, and more than eight million of the laity had formally signed requests asking for a definition of Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven. How accurate was the information in the magazine? To view Pedro sharing The messages he has received, click here. As Fr. Gobbis locutions finally came in a letter put out by the Marian Movement of Priests itself. Is it possible to that I am on the correct path even though I am far less "learned" than the others in my Church? Always a diligent worker, Elizabeth never had good fortune in her long string of short-lived jobs, as she struggled to feed her family. The apparitions have been marked by a large number of unexplained phenomena which resemble those observed in other similar sites: lacrimations of blood from a statue of the Virgin (as in Civitavecchia or Trevignano Romano), the dance of the sun (as in Fatima or Medjugorje), the image of Mary inexplicably printed in petals (as in Lipa in the Philippines in 1948) In the messages, we also find references to numerous Marian apparitions of the past. The second consideration is, I think, more important. Dom Carillo Gritti, Bishop of the diocese of Itacoatiara, approved the 1994-1998 phase of the apparitions as supernatural in origin on May 31, 2009 and personally laid the cornerstone of a new Sanctuary in Itapiranga on May 2, 2010. There, in the street below, she saw a crowd and armed soldiers leading three prisoners; she recognized Jesus as one of them. And you continue, ". This remarkable mystical state persisted until her death in 1947followed by a funeral that was no little affair. I had never seen so much beauty, Luz said of Marys appearance. Jesus, I trust in You. . Dear Father, Could you please tell me a little about "Centering Prayer"for instance, I'm a devout Catholic who is presently a postulant in a Secular Institute, and our director is STRONGLY urging us all to understand, accept and start practicing the activity of Centering Prayer, complete with its 'breathing techniques', etc. An EWTN classic, "Life on the Rock," which featured Fr. Gobbis book? There is nothing in them that adds to or takes away from the teaching of the Church. Several months later, Mary and Saint Michael the Archangel introduced her to Our Lord in a vision, and in time, Jesus and Mary would speak to her of coming events, such as the Warning. Gobbi founded the Marian Movement of Priests (MMP). For example, if a Catholic priest, for whatever reason, tells someone that they may steal money from work and that this is not wrong, the person does not sin in doing it, because their conscience has been misinformed. On the 8th of May, 1972, Don Stefano Gobbi ("Don" being the common way of addressing priests in Italy), was taking part in a pilgrimage to Fatima and was praying in the little Chapel of the Apparitions for some priests he knew of who had left the priesthood and were forming themselves into an organization in rebellion against the Church's authority, when he seemed to hear an interior voice urging him to have confidence in the Immaculate Heart of Mary. I had mentioned contraception in my Trinity Sunday homily as an example of a teaching to which we must submit even if we don't understand it or agree with it, in much the same way that we profess our faith in the Trinity, which we know we could never demonstrate. Zanoni, the current Archbishop of Feira de Santana, with diocesan responsibility for Anguera, is broadly supportive, as can be seen from this short interview (in Portuguese with Italian sub-titles): Click here. (1913-1985)Wife, Mother, Mystic, and Founder of The Flame of Love Movement. To me it seems to have had its roots in superstition, and a belief on the part of the faithful that Christ is some how unapproachable. She explained that such cenacles were prayer meetings in which the participants made a consecration to Mary, prayed the rosary, and read one of founder Fr. Cardinal Pter Erd of Esztergom-Budapest, Primate of Hungary, established a commission to study The Spiritual Diary and the various recognitions that local bishops around the world had given to The Flame of Love movement, as a private association of the faithful. One is able to "know the truth" only to the extent that one has reason to believe that such-and-such IS the truth. Servant of God Dolindo Ruotolo of Naples, Italy (1882-1970), was a miracle worker and a mouthpiece of the Holy Spirit. The following is adapted from the best-selling book, THE WARNING: Testimonies and Prophecies of the Illumination of Conscience. Starting in February 1997 and still continuing, the apparitions to Eduardo Ferreira have been taking place regularly on the 12th of each month as well as occasionally on other dates. For example, of what practical value could it be to spend the opening lines of one's homily explaining how our reading from Isaiah wasn't written by him at all, but is from "Dueturo-Isaiah," or that the sermon on the mount is really a collection of sayings, not necessarily spoken at any one time? Tasks are assigned for each day of the week, which involve prayer, fasting, and night vigils, with beautiful promises attached to them, laced with special graces for priests and the souls in purgatory. The fact that many of the events predicted in these messages (volcanic explosions in specific places, terrorist attacks in particular locations, such as Paris) have already come true with great accuracy. If only the Spirit, in these cases, was a bit more focused. Secondly, several of the overtly prophetic messages would appear to have been fulfilled: we notably find a request in September 2019 to pray for China as the source of new airborne diseases. Gobbis teaching on the Second Coming is contrary to the teaching of the Church. uploaded on 5_7_2013 For example, Cardinal Newman was, by all accounts, a very boring preacher from the point of view of technique. It should be obvious that the content of these messages cannot have a demonic origin because of their strict theological orthodoxy. The apparitions continued in Dobra Voda, then in Dechtice, where other children also began to receive messages. The manifestations became known as the Itapiranga apparitions, named after their native town in the Brazilian Amazon jungle. He is a candidate for beatification and the Catholic Church has granted him the title "Servant of God." Just as the astounding revelations on the Divine Mercy entrusted by Jesus to St. Faustina constitute Gods final effort of salvation (before his Second Coming in grace), so too His revelations on the Divine Will entrusted to the Servant of God Luisa Piccarreta constitute Gods final effort of sanctification. 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