The earliest abundant references for Thamud in our literary sources are in relation to the Nabataean empire a large Arab kingdom encompassing parts of modern Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (including the Hejaz, the area containing Mecca and Medina) and even parts of Sinai. Take your time and let it sink in: 1. Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. The Bible And We gave them Our signs, but from them they were turning away. Although, implausible, but not impossible. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. you who say to yourself, Over time, some say nine generations, these people developed a society that was very powerful, wealthy, and influential. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. Of course there are lessons to be taken from the stories of these two nations. I do understand why most Christians are unaware of the fine details interspersed within the ponderous and drawn-out book. [5] This entire passage has been sent by Waqar. They are called "Skulls" because it is thought that the skull is the most important part of the body, and the majority of Arab tribes are descended from these major tribes.[37][38][39][40][41]. The word Thamud appears in the Annals of the Assyrian king Sargon II (r. 722705 BCE), inscribed at Dur-Sharrukin. Claim that the Edomites are not Thamud thus the verses are irrelevant. And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. Revisionists are conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theories sell so in order to make quick money and get fame, some western pseudo scholars propagate this absurd conspiracy theory. It doesnt speak about being touched or untouched. Having failed to save his people, Salih warned that they would be destroyed after three days. They were Giants and so powerful. Assalamualaikum I dont believe 27:50-53 is necessarily referring to their houses existing at the time of the Prophet SAW when they tell us to behold the sign therein. Omissions? It is estimated by some historians that Moses (s) lived around the 16th century BCE. The 2 verses are very generic in that they describe the general civilizations over time that have been destroyed or have perished but their signs remain behind. I just had the chance to look at the comments now and I dont seem to understand the problem here. Year_ May , 2021 -. The Edomites can also be a separate nation and through the passage time they shared history, tradition, and custom with the remnants of the Thamud. But despite all of this advice, the Aad rejected their brother Hud. Even if the prophet saw these exact structures which are visible today and we can, hypothetically, prove beyond a shadow of doubt that no one ever lived in them, and he took them to be the dwellings of the Thamud, that isnt a major problem. Then, his progeny, and his people, came to be known by the name of ` Ad. Allah sent a powerful windstorm to the Aad that destroyed them and left them sprawled and mangled in their homes. The following are four verses from Obadiah: 1 The vision of Obadiah. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. Also you said 89:9 means a valley is not Madain al saleh a vally or is it not The earliest known mention of this new 'Thamud' in historical sources is is a 715 BC inscription of the Assyrian king Sargon II, which mentions them as being among the people of eastern and central Arabia subjugated by the Assyrians. the nation of Shuayb (as) is mentioned (78-79). If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. Here is the summary of his opinion: ( ) which only proves that al-Hijr was also the land of the Thamud which is not a problem. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. 5. They are related to Thamd only in being much later structures sharing the same geographical location. Numerous rock writings and pictures traditionally attributed to the Thamd have been found on Mount Athlab and throughout central Arabia; though labeled Thamdic, they actually reflect a diverse set of ancient Semitic dialects used by various Arabian tribes. Allah says: `Say, O Muhammad, to these idolators who disbelieve in the message of truth that you have brought: If you turn away from that which I have brought to you from Allah, then I warn you of the punishment of Allah like the . Wadi al-Qura, refer to the article above. Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. Like Petra, much of the ruins are still hidden, we cant make absolute conclusions unless and until we have access to all of the monuments, tombs, structures, which are still hidden. And 'Ad and Thamud (people)! Abul Ala Maududi. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. It may very well be that during the time of the prophet, certain structures were still apparent to them that are now hidden due to natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, accretion of sand and erosion with time. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. (Quran 16:36). Arabian tradition holds that the Thamud kingdom was destroyed by God. The structures were not built by the Thamud but by the Nabateans. Al-Arab al-Ba'ida (Arabic: ), "The Extinct Arabs", were an ancient group of tribes of prehistory that included the 'd, the Thamud, the Tasm, the Jadis, the Imlaq (who included branches of Banu al-Samayda), and others. The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. [22], A poem attributed to Umayya ibn Abi--alt, a Meccan contemporary of Muhammad who refused to accept Islam, contains a reference to the camel and Thamud. According to Arab tradition, the Adnanites are called Arabised because it is believed that Ishmael Spoke Aramaic and Egyptian then learnt Arabic from a Qahtanite Yemeni woman that he married. And indeed we do, but with an unexpected twist! A Brief History of ` Ad and Thamud ` Ad is the name of a person who is in the fifth generation after Sayyidna Nuh ( ) and is among the progeny of his son Sam. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/. The general consensus among 14th-century Arab genealogists is that Arabs are of three kinds: The Hawazin tribe and the Quraysh tribe are considered Adnani Arabs. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. Thats it. My people, this camel belongs to God, a sign for you, so leave it to pasture on God's earth and do not harm it, or you will soon be punished." However, not all of them were destroyed; Salih and hisfollowers continued to live on. - _ tafseer. A number of them branched out, which later became independent tribes (sub-tribes). This is because Prophet Ismail (AS) is often considered to be the father of Arabs just like Prophet Ishaaq/Isaac (AS) is considered to be the father of the Israelites. Al-ijr is now a vast plain, interspersed with hills into which what looks from the outside like houses or tombs have been carved. Firstly, Ashab al-Hijr seem to be Thamud (15:80-85) because although this is the only time they are called this name, commentators unanimously agree that they are Thamud. [24] Whether the poem is genuinely by Umayya or is a post-Islamic creation is a matter of debate. They also earned income by transporting goods and people in caravans pulled by domesticated camels across the desert. I have yet to find a shred of evidence of a dead body that was placed in any of the recesses in the walls. 12. For one, Allah certainly mentions that the Thamud were successors to the Aad. As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. This is the she-camel of Allah [sent] to you as a sign. The world is a prison-house for a believer and Par ()_ (): _ _____Terminology of Hadith. Previous ones may have fallen and replaced by Nabateans but during the time of the Prophet (), there did remain buildings of Thamud and who knows, they might still be there today but undiscovered by archaeologists. But the shriek seized them at early morning. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. al-Hijr, the second most important centre of the Nabataean empire, is the title of the 15th chapter of the Quran. [23] Arab tribes such as Banu Muzaina migrated, and the Arab Muslims in the region had more impact on the culture of the Maghreb than the region's conquerors before and after them. Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. A Warning to the Disbelievers and a Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamud. Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. The tribes of Ad and Thamud were ancient people who existed on the Arabian Peninsula many centuries ago and were recipients of the Prophets Hud and Salih, respectively. The Qu'ran (89: 6-13) refers to the 'Ad people; the unique high peaks of Iram, and the Thamud who carved the rocks there, and has been interpreted as an account of how 'Allah dealt harshly with the people of 'Ad who were corrupted by wealth and the delights of the flesh. It seems we gonna have some proper analysis on this case, and Allah (as) knows best! Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. declares the LORD. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. [14] The Thamd in question were Roman auxiliary troops, as the inscription states explicitly: For the well-being of the rulers of the whole world Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. We dont have remains of Ad, do we? Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. They wanted to prove that (scientifically, of course) that Salih was not telling the truth. There is no special connection between these scripts and the tribe of Thamud. So bring on whatever punishment you say is coming to us.. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. The tribes of Arabia descend from either one of the two Arab ancestors, Adnan or Qahtan. And As-Saihah (torment - awful cry) overtook the wrong-doers, so they lay (dead), prostrate in their homes, As if they had never lived there. Amend their accusation to now include the Bible also. 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with Aad; of Iram of the lofty pillars? (Quran 89:6-7). In light of these points, in my opinion the only reasonable conclusion is one of the following: 1) That the dwellings of Thamud were destroyed some time between The Expedition of Tabuk and today. [1] Arab tribes have historically inhabited the Arabian Peninsula, but after the spread of Islam, they began to heavily migrate and settle in other areas such as the Levant,[2] Mesopotamia,[3] Egypt,[4] Sudan,[5] the Maghreb,[6] and Khuzestan. And [We destroyed] 'Aad and Thamud and the companions of the well and many generations between them. In fact they were pretty snarky in their responses. Allah sent the Prophet Hud to give the Aad the message of Islam. Thus, we can say that perhaps this ones were the Nabataeans. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamd, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration forever with the support of Antistius Adventus, the governor. . [27], This article is about the ancient Arabian tribe. A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. Its also implausible that a people who would be at the helm of such epic architectural and engineering achievements would not even make mention of it, or at least keep a record of it. They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. Then do you see any remains?Chapter 69, Verses 6 8. Other ahadith mention that this was the land of Thamud ie. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. Based on the Quranic and Biblical evidence, and the lack of archeological evidence which can conclusively show that every single structure that is excavated, and those that will be excavated in the future, are all Nabatean in origin, I believe carving out structures on hills and mountains originated with the Thamud, which was later adopted by the Edomites, which later still, was adopted by the Nabateans. [24] These tribes advanced in large numbers all the way to Morocco, contributing to a more extensive ethnic, genetic, cultural, and linguistic Arabization in the region. What the Prophet () and the Sahaba went through during Tabuk was overall the joint place of Thamud and Nabateans and more specifically the exact well from where the she-camel drank. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. [31][32] Other Arab tribes migrated into Sudan in the 12th century and intermarried with the indigenous populations, forming the Sudanese Arabs. They became two parties quarreling with each other. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. Follow the great majority of Muslims today? During this time, the Nabateans built structures out of rock throughout their Kingdom, The buildings are not homes but are actually tombs, The inscriptions in al-Hijr are not those made by Thamud , At 26 instances in the Quran Thamud are mentioned by name and in none of those contexts they have been called People of al-Hijr, Where the carvings done by Thamud are mentioned the place of it is also mentioned, Quran 89:9 where the places is mentioned as al-Wad which means Wad lQura, The carvings made by the people of al-Hijr are mentioned in 15:82 and the people of al-Hijr is a title of the Nabateans. Some Muslims have mistakenly equated sites such as these with the first Thamud of the Quran, but it is believed by archaeologists that a different group of people called the Nabataeans, in fact, built some of these sites. I believe neither are in error. As menitoned earlier, the Aad were a strong, brutish, and conquering people. 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