My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. This unique state of art device is already out of "development" phase, and is currently entering "preparation for serial production". Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. and our Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. Please enter a valid email and try again. > Pictures I would think it should be enough. I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. So I accidentally broke my TM Warthog yesterday, not a fun experience. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn34PHd34x4, Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8odaH98Yms. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. Yes I followrd their guide. You are using an out of date browser. I know that the performance will be better but if you have done a similar upgrade let me know your thoughts. VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. Both can be gotten with twist. Privacy Policy. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out Everything I've ever bought from VKB has been spot on out of the box. Toe in and out being the most prominent I can see. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a additional electronic/mechanic adapter ($60), but their Gunfigther Mk.II* base wasoptimized for deal withWarthoggrip weight. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. Everything about it is perfect. Virpil's compression springs in the Mongoos are nice, but the WarBRD doesn't use them. Theyre also beautifully powder coated, and come with all the bolts you need to make the attachment to the Constellation. Been playing flight sims with a rig I purchased last year but ED was on my list of reasons why I spent money on a good input suite. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. When you run the Virpil Joystick tester, do all the analog axes and button inputs show up? If not, then you've configured the device incorrectly. I have a Virpil setup. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. I play 98% Elite Dangerous and 2% DCS and MSFS. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. Thank you guys for the help. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. If anyone has alternate suggestions for awesome, high quality flight sticks. I was hoping for something like this for Virpil Hotas. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. There are some there. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. > Sales Question on the VKB customization software? Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. This applies to the connector between grip and base. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. They strike a good balance between price point and feature set, sitting comfortably in between classics like the Logitech X-52 and the Thrustmaster T16000, and higher end products from Thrustmaster and VKB. Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. > Q&A Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. Better options out there? I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. What it really comes down to is whether you plan to use the twist. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. Virpil is a more competitive option if you want to use TM grips out of the box (but you could just buy a VKB adapter and do the same or a WinWing base). You can also remove about an inch of height from the pedals, stripping off the rubber feet and the entire lower frame, to attach them directly to a custom flight seat. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. If you go with a HOTAS solution instead, making use of one of Virpils fully-customizable throttle boxes, youll need a slightly larger version of the clamp and a special adapter plate. I also had several screw heads shatter as I attempted to remove them, either due to being made from weak metal or being gummed up with too much thread locking paste. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. TL;DR: worth waiting and paying for Virpil over VKB if I'm leaning Virpil and want as many fingertip buttons as possible? Something went wrong. Previously, those functions sat on a tiny hat switch on my throttle. Right? If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. You'll see I haven't even mapped the 2nd choice analog features of the top MCG hat on the right hand, ran out of needalso have some repeats left and right in case I get confused in heat of moment. Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? I have an in-depth write up here. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. You must log in or register to reply here. I have the same Virpil throttle. I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. > DIY I've gone back to a single, non-split profile, still nada on any of the three axes . If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. After a few hours of HOSAS practice, I suddenly found myself with much more precise and immediate control over my virtual spaceships than ever before. What do you mean by splitting axes? Youll find examples from both brands where people got shipped a dud product or had a bad experience with customer service, but on the whole theyre both producing excellent hardware and its gonna come down to personal preference for the most part. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. 4 - what grip do people think is better the T-50 or the alpha? Edit: Didn't realize that winwing sticks were metal. But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. Thanks, Ill take your advise. I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy (~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. After nearly a decade of watching modest, incremental improvements in the space its nice to see a manufacturer innovating with their flight sticks. Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. People use keyboard to play E:D. Keyboards have more than 32 buttons.. my x56 throttle alone has more than 32 buttons, all bound to ed controls :). I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. Valve Corporation. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. I've been lucky enough to have purchased of a Virpil CM2 throttle and a Constellation Alpha on Warbird base and I think they are fantastic! How easy was the software to learn? Please note you will lose the axis on the brake lever that comes with the Virpil grip, as the Warthog grip only supports button press on that lever. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. However, worse was that ED (and Il-2 and DCS) now do not recognize any of the axes on the throttle. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. I use Joystick gremlin, so elite can see all the buttons on the throttle. Jmo Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. You can watch some youtube teardowns and see that VKB pays attention to the internals in a really impressive way. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. 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If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. newsletter. This is significant. I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. 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Yes I followrd their guide. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. I will try them. See our ethics statement. It was a bit of a process to pull apart my two kosmosima grips to fish out the good peg and slap it into my right hand stick, but I'm starting to get a little miffed with the durability of some of these small components. And every one but a single dial is bound. Hey everyone, i know this has been a few times but i cant find anything that the exact specs im looking at so im going to ask anyway. It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. They are both superb bits of kit though and you will not regret buying either. I have zero complaints about it. I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. In term of quality, feel and performance? It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. Have you tried each device individually with nothing else plugged in? So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. So far Im extremely impressed. If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. I can say you really can go wrong either way you go. Overall, I'd recommend VKB for quality and performance. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. How convert Warthog grip for VKB standard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. Is the base the same on both? I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. I'm not an expert by any stretch, I only intend to use this for Elite Dangerous. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. Can't speak for Virpil as I've got VKB, so disclosure, obviously this is possibly biased opinion. I will look for that in VPC config software. You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. Nice descriptions. ELITE DANGEROUS TRAINING Challenge Scenarios INCURSIONS Let's play in 2023 | PC | 4K | Live Stream | Solo / Alone NOOB w HOSAS VKB + Virpil #elitedangerous . September 8, 2019 in Hardware, Software and Controllers. 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). The VKB is slightly more refined whilst the Virpil is heavier duty. Hub 3.0 Powered 90W Data Hub, Multiport 16 Port Powered 12V/7.5A Adapter Still getting the 'need to remove some devices '. In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? First post here. I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. I'd love to mount to desk but I don't have the space for a permanent setup and need to be able to move my controllers out of the way easily. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. Oops. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. It has plenty of hat switches, plus an assortment of triggers that are perfect for games in the IL-2 Sturmovik family or other high-end simulations. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. I haven't checked Virpil in a while but didn't think anything had more than the MCG Pro, with the hat over on the index finger position as well as on the thumbrest. Both of my Virpil bases had slack in the X axis at centre out of the box. All rights reserved. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. 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