Tracy K. Smith: Right. Some do a lot, some very little. Take it easy. Tracy K. Smith: Sure. For Poetry Off The Shelf, Im Curtis Fox. She has taught at Princeton University and Harvard University. The gesture of writing an appeal and appending ones name to it parallels her lyric recuperations, because both replace capitalisms terms (where individuals are parts of a vast machine dedicated to profit) with the changeable conditions of authentic selfhood, where every breath matters even if it produces nothing that can be monetized. SMITH: I think of my four books of poems in similar terms: The Bodys Question feels to me like a coming-of-age story. Bank-balance math and counting days. Her poems pose fundamental questionsabout love, time, mortality, and faith (Is It us, or what contains us? she asks in Life on Mars)and pursue them with imagination, rigor, a bold comfort with uncertainty, and an unswerving commitment to candor and humaneness. In June 2017, Smith was named U.S. poet laureate. Born in Massachusetts and raised in northern California, Smith now lives in New Jersey, where she directs and teaches in Princeton University's Creative Writing Program. You know, popular myths that we cleave to as Americans, and there are a lot of poems in this book that have titles that are biblical. This is a poem thats kind of looking back toward the moment when we might have known but didnt care. This week, Retelling the American Story. I watch him bob across the intersection,Squat legs bowed in black sweatpants. Her latest book is Wade In The Water. Email us at [emailprotected], or write a review in Apple Podcasts, and please link to this episode on social media. 4 (September 2018). It feels like an empires end: The known sun setting / On the dawning century, as the last two lines go. She studied at Harvard University, where she joined the Dark Room Collective, a reading series for writers of color, created by Sharan Strange in 1988. I spent about 2 hours going through this list of poets trying to find someone that I could just. And before that, of course, there was the slave empire, a giant system for turning flesh into money. It would mean giving space to voices that have long been silenced or distorted. It was no longer important or necessary, and I wanted to just listen to these fragments within this founding document, and feel the sort of startled andI dont know, just a sense of inevitability that those statements kind of gathered around themselves. WebThe assignment consisted of reading this newly published poem and then writing an analysis. Lentils spilt a trail behind me The author of four books of poems, she received the 2012 Pulitzer Prize in poetry. Her latest book is Cast Away, from Greenwillow Books. And as many have observed since capitalism emerged (see William Blakes Satanic mills or Upton Sinclairs meatpacking plants), this tends to have baleful effects on how we conceive of social relationships and our own selves. My thirties.Everyone I knew was livingThe same desolate luxury,Each ashamed of the same things:Innocence and privacy. But it is as if he hears, A voice in our idling engines, calling himLithe, Swift, Prince of Creation. In a recent podcast of her conversation with Curtis Fox of the Poetry Foundation, Tracy K. Smith says that being Poet Laureate is a kind of service (Off the Shelf, July 31, 2018). Poetry allows us to bridge our differences, to remind ourselves that we do have things to say to each other, that we are interested in each others lives and vulnerabilities. In this new collection, Smith explores, mourns and even celebrates those vulnerabilities, both national and individual. What a profound longing How did you fill in that blank as you were writing that? The known sun setting Wade in the Water (Graywolf Press, 2018) was her fourth collection of poems. Did writing your memoir indeed open up new space for that? I will say it flat-out: I do not like poetry. Not just me, not just people who are fresh out of whatever you do in the first years after graduate school into adulthood, thinking that Ill be happy if I can almost afford the things that I want, if I can somehow find a way to buy what life seems to offer to other people. They are places to test out new lines of inquiry. On the dawning century. How do you feel now about taking up race in your poetry? Garden of Eden by Tracy K. Smith What a profound longing I feel, just this very instant, For the Garden of Eden On Montague Street Where I seldom shopped, We'll love you just the way you are if you're perfect. In this book, Im doing that more relentlessly. I thought of to bear witness, as the book itself does, but I also thought to bear unspeakable suffering. When she writes about love and desire, they are vehicles for the philosophical examination of humanity, of the ways we respond to authority, and more and more they are vehicles for thinking about the plight of the earth. Also, one of the strangest I think, because the role of the Poet Laureate is largely defined by the poet occupying that perch. That sometimes comes out in revision, as was the case with Ash. The poem was little more than a list of ideas until I was able to sit down and hear a set of rhythmic parameters begin to assert force. Innocence and privacy. The couplet looped in my head for weeks, and when I finally resorted to Google, I learned it was from Smiths first collection, The Bodys Question.I borrowed her books from the library and found them full of lines like the ones that had hooked me. In Black life, humor helps make the unbearable bearable. The same desolate luxury, The United States expanding industrial wealth in the nineteenth century was inseparable from this machine; American capital has always been massed on the backs on nonwhite people.These appellants use the lingo of capitalism, insofar as they are asking for money. Even going into the first trip, I was thinking okay, Im performing a service. Even if the question animating the poem is a serious one, that sense of being lost in the pursuit is, inevitably, a happy thingit is about finding something that can constitute a productive path through or out of the matter at hand. WebGarden of Eden What a profound longing I feel, just this very instant, For the Garden of Eden On Montague Street Where I seldom shopped, Usually only after therapy Elbow So I thought, what could I do? the same desolate luxury, people lived paycheck to paycheck, unable to afford such luxuries like exotic fruits or pastries. Educated at Harvard and Columbia, teaching at Princeton, named the US Poet Laureate in 2017, and already freighted with laurels (her previous book, Life on Mars, won the 2012 Pulitzer), Smith is no undiscovered talent. The collections final poem, An Old Story, also feels faintly Biblical. Everyone I knew was living Doing so would mean transforming language in its social, political, psychological, and aesthetic dimensions; it would mean altering how we speak in public, of other people, and in private, to ourselves.Poetry might not seem like the best way to catalyze a revolution. Its a dire poem, tinged with hope, that out of the destruction of our century something new and fresh might reemerge. As Auden supposedly said in conversation, you cant half-read it. In part, I think its true to say that the selves Im most committed to in that book are the ones our culture continues to make most vulnerable: women, people of color, the lonely and disenfranchised. Dang, you hear those birds? You pay attention because it wades in deep. Maybe I am asking my new poems to remind me that I am one of those people, that America is one of those people. Curtis Fox: So please give that a read if you would. The core of the book, because it was the poem I had written earliest in the process, always seemed to me to be the long Civil War poem, I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. That poem was commissioned for an exhibition of Civil War photographs at the Smithsonians National Portrait Gallery back in 2013. She was named Poet Laureate of the United States in June 2017 and reappointed to the post for a second term last spring. She didn'tKnow me, but I believed her,And a terrible new acheRolled over in my chest,Like in a room where the drapesHave been swept back. WebTracy K. Smith begins her poem The Good Life with a subordinate clause: Whenpeople talk (Line 1). Even a simple poem like The Good Life grew large, for me at least,when the image of a woman journeying for water from a village without a well arrived. And maybe thats me speaking as someone in mid life, someone whos the parent of kids and has fears about the future. Because having them suggests a sense of unearned privilege? Due to the insinuation that this is an expensive shop, she reminisces of being in her thirties and seeing the The glossy pastries! and the Pomegranate, persimmon, [and] quince! sold there. Too late. I love the things my students are willing to learn, and the risks they are willing to take with their poems. Are they something you mostly notice cropping up in poems youve already written, or do they often enter through conscious choices like the ones you describe with Watershed and Eternity?SMITH: I tend to write and bank poems slowly for long stretches of time, and then, when I have the extended time and space, or when my questions become more urgent, I sit down to a season of intense writing. Capital exerts its violence against nature and the people who are part of it. SMITH: I think the only way students learn how to craft their own poems is by reading and learning to pay close attention to the specific choices that other writers make. He has plundered our Life on Mars is a very sentimental and intimate book of poems about how an author deals a lost in her life. Yet everyone lived with a sense of innocence and privacy. People are leading lives where they cannot afford rich and luxurious things and are ashamed of that, yet they also hold onto fear; they are afraid to let people see their actual status. I love chicken. Her poem is an erasure poem, a form of found poetry, making it even more successful in her criticism of the original document. rife with music, rhyme, and repetition. Its current occupant is Tracy K. Smith, who was named Poet Laureate in 2017. But even, it seemed to answer some of the questions that come up when we talk about this racial divide. ravaged our The feeling that we arent content with how things are in our lives can resonate with everyone I am sure. on the high Seas I am always asking poems to show me who we are, what we are connected to, what our actions and choices set into motion, and whether it might somehow be possible to become better at being human. Her latest book is Wade In The Water. SMITH: That poem was originally published as The Mowers. Then I read it in Washington, DC in 2016 and realized that the poems wish is for something graceful, wordless, grateful and sustaining to link these two imaginary strangers in common understanding. I liked setting up, via the title, the expectation of something rigid or dogmatic, and then allowing the poem itself to be gentle. sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people Ive been sharing work by other American poets, and readings of my own poems as well, and just asking a very simple question, which is, what do you notice? Leaving therapy, she feels a profound longing for the grocery store, which becomes a sort of temple where spiritual and aesthetic desire mix (The glossy pastries! Tracy K. Smith served as U.S. poet laureate from 2017-19 and teaches at Princeton University. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration Terrible. Life on Mars is pointed into the future as a way of reckoning with all of that, while Wade in the Water takes up history in a similar effort. I think the title, which came after Id finished the poem, enlarged the initial scope of the poem. Was there a poem or group of poems it coalesced around?SMITH: Thank you. Poems are so great because they urge you to start thinking in honest and even vulnerable terms about your own life and your own experiences. Curtis Fox: Being Poet Laureate is obviously an honor, but have you enjoyed it? I guess Ive been thinking a lot about mythology. Tracy K. Smith: Well, Ive been going into rural communities in different parts of the country. Tracy K. Smith: I think about the incredible systematic and orderly attempts to negate black life throughout the history of this country, and then I think about the voices and the contributions to democracy that Blacks have offered, and those two things speak really powerfully to each other. Under the intense weight of capital, this poisoned realism infects all other forms of discourse, connection, economy. Register now and publish your best poems or read and bookmark your favorite popular famous poems. In a quiet way, I am editing from the moment I begin writing, pushing myself to think more rigorously and vigorously and to live up to the model of discipline and courage that I encourage my students to embrace.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Youve written four poetry collections; when you started writing, you were a student, and now youre a teachernot to mention the nations Poet Laureate. / The wood was never spent. In Wade in the Water, the first section of Eternity begins It is as if I can almost still remember and closes with trees Ageless, constant, / Growing down into earth and up into history. Any thoughts on the challenges and possibilities of processing (or traversing) time through language? They do a lot to remind us that we do have things to say to each other, that were interested in one anothers lives and vulnerabilities. WebGarden of Eden story: summary On the sixth day of Creation, God created man in the form of Adam, moulding him from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7), breathing the breath I sensed my work as one of curating rather than composing. Her book,Life on Mars(2011), won the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry. It teases us; it helps us sometimes, so that what is happening now feels like it has already occurred once before; it bridles adults and happily submits to being largely ignored by children. I honestly really enjoyed this poem, particularly the ending clause. To say that shes very goodthat her poetry is not screwing aroundis to state what has become increasingly obvious over the past decade. Her second collection is titled Duende, a Spanish word that eludes precise translation but denotes a quality of soulful artistic passion and inspiration; perhaps its this same quality that infuses her patiently lucid writing with visceral urgency, yielding lines that stick persistently in a readers heart and mind.Smith has written four poetry collections: The Body's Question, which won the Cave Canem Poetry Prize; Duende, which received the James Laughlin Award; Life on Mars, winner of the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry; and, most recently, Wade in the Water, published in April by Graywolf Press. The last lines of the poems final section point this up with staggering intensity: My full name is Dick Lewis Barnett.I am the applicant for pensionon account of having servedunder the name Lewis Smithwhich was the name I wore beforethe days of slavery were overMy correct name is Hiram Kirkland.Some persons call me Harry and others call me Henrybut neither is my correct name. What is it that I could do in this role that would be different and useful. He put the two of them in a garden where they did not have to provide for themselves. What are you really getting at there? At the time, I wasnt writing many poems; I was working on my prose memoir, and feeling, somewhat guiltily, that it might be a good idea to take the opportunity to produce a new poem. I'm glad you were able to find something to connect with! This seems like a really relatable poem; I can relate to you in that it's hard to be satisfied with our lives and that as we've gotten older it's become easier to accept that (knowing that it's ok in your words). Tracy K. Smith: Mhmm, yeah. Have your process and preoccupations changed? NCTE, Common Core, & National Core Arts Standards. For me, the memory of catching a poem in that fashion seeps into the sense of peace the poem contemplates, causing it to feel fleeting, like something it would be easy, if youre not working very deliberately, to lose.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Your poems have a habit of calling chronology into question. Or was it just a sense of being spurred to write by the experience of working intensively with language?SMITH: Yi Lei has big questions. Or, generally, have some personae in your work been more challenging to access than others?SMITH: Sometimes, as in the case ofThe United States Welcomes You,a persona is a last resort. Capitalism, Fisher intones, is what is left when beliefs have collapsed at the level of ritual or symbolic elaboration, and all that is left is the consumer-spectator, trudging through the ruins and the relics.Is there any alternative to the morose conviction that nothing new can ever happen (Fisher again)? You were appointed Poet Laureate in 2017, after Trump was inaugurated. SMITH: The older I get, the more I begin to think of Time as not just a force or a law of nature, but as a presence we live alongside, someone rather than something. What about you? L.I. Do these various modes of working with existing text feel similar to each other? Whatwhat on earthconstitutes a meaningful life in a market society?Markets shape mindsets. Like the couplet that led me to her work, Smiths writing seems often to spring from an empathetic impulse, animated by common human experiences and invested in the insight we can gain by watching and listening to each other. Im Curtis Fox. Several poems in Wade in the Water were written after translating poems of hers called In the Distance and Green Trees Greet the Rainstorm.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Section III of Wade in the Water ends with a Political Poem: a vision of workers cutting grass and communicating intermittently by raising their arms. I wanted to find a way of reminding myself that our 21st Century moment isnt self-contained; somewhere and somehow, it has bearing upon what happens moving forward throughout all of eternity, even after we humans are gone from this planet. Over her career, she has published a memoir and four books of poetry, including Life On Mars, which won the Pulitzer Prize several years ago. Both are longing for some kind of extra-human counterpoint to the real, the earthbound, the flawed, the finite. The author is efficient in pointing out that the men that once wrote and fought for equality, were the same to enforce and bring upon laws that oppressed Tracy K. Smith, "Dusk" from Wade in the Water. Tracy K. Smith: I hear those two things, but in the reverse order. The Universe: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack. Im really happy I stumbled upon Tracy K. Smith and I look forward to reading more of her work. Unlike a lot of other poets I was looking at, she has a certain flavor that just really fit to my taste. Reprinted by permission of Graywolf Press, www.graywolfpress.org. As for imaginative play, maybe that comes from another place. And then theres that line in Eternity: as though all of us must be / Buried deep within each other. How does poetry foreground or grapple with distinctions between the self and others? But that isnt enough, and so I am also listening for clues in the sounds of what I have already said that might help me determine what to say next. SMITH: I think my strength is the image. On June 14, 2017, Librarian of Congress Carla Hayden announced the appointment of Tracy K. Smith as the 22nd Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry. WebTracy K. Smith was born in Falmouth, Massachusetts, on April 16, 1972, and raised in Fairfield, California. Pomegranate, persimmon, quince! Is it strange to say love is a languageFew practice, but all, or near all speak?Even the men in black armor, the onesJangling handcuffs and keys, what elseAre they so buffered against, if not loves bladeSizing up the hearts familiar meat? She earned a BA from Harvard University and an MFA in creative writing from Columbia University. I carried the wish to write a poem about that story with me for a year-and-a-half. SMITH: Writing Ordinary Light helped me break my own silence about how race has shaped me. The story of that poem is that it woke me up one night. Meanwhile, Watershed brilliantly intermixes language from that Nathaniel Rich article with testimony by survivors of near-death experiences; was the process of choosing and assembling your found texts similar for this poem? One of the closing lines is an eerie warning: its global. The worlds first great carbon empire, the United States, is committing suicide, but at least some people are getting richer.The books center is I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. This long poem, divided into sections based on different voices, consists of material Smith culled from the letters of black Civil War veterans and their wives, children, siblings, and widows, many of whom wrote to President Lincoln asking for financial assistance, in many cases pay that was owed them. Its not that I dont like it because Ew, poetry, but rather because I just dont understand a majority of it. Curtis Fox: Tracy K. Smith is the Poet Laureate of the United States. Thats one reason that the poem Eternity, which is set in China and dedicated in part to Yi Lei, felt important to include in the book, because much of my own new work comes directly out of that relationship. SMITH: I wanted to open the book by invoking a sense of the eternal, to start with a nod to that scale. But I truly hope its more than that. I know that her poems inspired some of my own, if even only in tone. Thanks to her late father's job as an engineer on the Hubble Space Telescope, the US poet gathers inspiration from My natural process is to try and distribute the weight of the poem across these mechanisms, but I get very excited when the poem has other plans for itself and leans more toward a rhythmic energy, or toward the rigid structure of rhyme or repetition. In its nostalgia for the pastries, the exotic fruits, and the black beluga lentils of her past, the poem invokes blessing and abundance, removed in time but newly desired in this moment when we see. But one day, when I was kind of working in the vein, I was sitting at my desk and I just had this vivid memory of shopping in a grocery store in Brooklyn, and this pang of nostalgia for that moment in my life, and this poem kind of just came out. How do imaginative play and perhaps even humor figure in your process and your poetry right now? Its been something I will be sad to cease doing, and I feel incredibly lucky to have been able to go out across the country at this time in particular. 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